[LRUG] Details for your cuketober meeting

[Abdel A Saleh]

> I don't expect to convince anyone through argument - it's a level of
abject pain you have to experience for yourself.

Paul I concur completely - its PAIN! ;-)

Btw, Paul Wilson of Scottish Ruby Conference fame has got a talk dedicated
to the subject matter of User Acceptance/Story Driven testing during the
next Ruby Conf http://rubyconf.org/presentations/40

Abdel

On 8 October 2010 08:06, Paul Battley <pbattley at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've got 16,082 lines of Cucumber here that have convinced me that
> it's a terrible idea. And it's all my fault! It seemed like a good
> idea at the time. I could show you a thousand examples of why it's
> bad, but, as with intercessionary prayer, I suspect that the answer
> would merely be that I'm not cuking hard enough. I don't expect to
> convince anyone through argument - it's a level of abject pain you
> have to experience for yourself.
>
> Tests are code, and Cucumber is not quite a programming language. The
> software world is littered with simple declarative systems that edged
> towards Turing completeness. Some, thankfully, are just corpses.
> Others, such as PHP or MUMPS[1], persist like zombies, eating the
> brains of unwary programmers. I fear that Cucumber is one of these.
>
> There is the core of a good idea in Cucumber: separating the intention
> of a test from the fine details of its implementation. All I'll say to
> that is that Ruby already provides a means of doing this: methods.
> Cucumber won't stop you writing leaky steps, although it will make it
> uglier and harder.
>
> As to the idea that "the business" is going to read - let alone write!
> - Cucumber features, I call bullshit. I'd recommend talking as a more
> effective alternative method of communication.
>
> But I don't even care if anyone else uses Cucumber. It would be nice
> if it went away and died, but really, it doesn't matter. As with PHP,
> I just want to avoid it in future. If you're looking for an
> alternative, I'd say just use Ruby. You can still use Capybara, after
> all.
>
> Paul.
>
> 1. http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/A_Case_of_the_MUMPS.aspx
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