[LRUG] [JOBS] Ruby on Rails Developer - 6month contract - STARTING ASAP

[Max Williams]

Especially when people change the subject text!

On 12 March 2012 15:37, Kevin Monk <kevin at mangoswiss.com> wrote:

> There's only one thing more spammy than LRUG  recruiter job adverts... and
> that's the ensuing discussion.
>
> On 12 Mar 2012, at 15:29, Roland Swingler wrote:
>
> I don't want to filter out all job postings, only meaningless ones like
> the one in this thread. And I'm not specifically against recruiters either,
> for example Steve Buckley's email in January
> http://lists.lrug.org/pipermail/chat-lrug.org/2012-January/006798.html gave
> me a good idea of what domain the company was working in, the sort of work
> you might be doing and sounded like it came from a human being.
>
> I just want to stop vague descriptions before the trickle becomes a deluge.
>
> R
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Max Williams <toastkid.williams at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> That seems overly anti-recruiter.  They're easy enough to ignore if
>> you're not interested - that's why the JOBS tag was adopted.
>>
>>
>> On 12 March 2012 15:19, Paul Doerwald <paul at liquidmedia.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>  Maybe that says something about your actual value. Perhaps there is no
>>> value to posting/reposting a job advertisement in a mailing list. Perhaps
>>> your real value is in directly pursuing potential candidates.
>>>
>>> Paul.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Paul Doerwald
>>> Chancellor
>>> Liquid Media Inc.
>>> 902-412-2492
>>>
>>> On Monday, 12 March, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Anna Burchfiel wrote:
>>>
>>> Exactly. As a recruitment consultant, I won’t post the company I’m
>>> working with unless I am working exclusively on a role, because if someone
>>> applies directly to them I get nothing for passing on the information about
>>> it and having them get the job. Perhaps we could come to some sort of
>>> gentlemen’s agreement of giving the company name in the first instance
>>> someone contacts you, since you would then already have their details to
>>> confirm your interaction with them?****
>>> ** **
>>> Just a thought. ****
>>> ** **
>>> *Anna Burchfiel*
>>> Consultant
>>> *Volt *
>>> 85 Gracechurch Street, London EC3V 0AA, United Kingdom****
>>> *ddi: *****
>>> +44 (0) 207 648 4806****
>>> *tel: *****
>>> +44 (0) 207 648 4800****
>>> *fax: *****
>>> +44 (0) 1737 772949****
>>> *email: *****
>>> Anna.Burchfiel at VoltEurope.com****
>>> *web:*****
>>> www.volteurope.com****
>>> *search: *****
>>> jobs.volteurope.com****
>>>
>>> [image:
>>> http://www.volteurope.com/images/awards/APSCo_2011_email_logo_UK.gif]***
>>> *
>>> *From:* chat-bounces at lists.lrug.org [mailto:chat-bounces at lists.lrug.org<chat-bounces at lists.lrug.org>]
>>> *On Behalf Of *Tom Blomfield
>>> *Sent:* 12 March 2012 15:13
>>> *To:* London Ruby Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [LRUG] [JOBS] Ruby on Rails Developer - 6month contract
>>> - STARTING ASAP****
>>> ** **
>>> I had the same thought a couple of weeks ago, and it is a lot of fun...*
>>> ***
>>> ** **
>>> I'm just a little concerned that we're just encouraging recruiters to
>>> post even vaguer descriptions....****
>>> ** **
>>> --
>>> Tom Blomfield
>>> +44 7767 484619****
>>> ** **
>>> gocardless.com****
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> On Monday, 12 March 2012 at 15:09, Sam Phillips wrote:****
>>>
>>> I was wondering only this morning if we could address this by guessing**
>>> **
>>> the name of the company when an advert came through. I know at least****
>>> 60% of the time who it is, and if the convention was to reveal the****
>>> name, maybe recruiters would learn(!) to not post ads without company***
>>> *
>>> names?****
>>> ** **
>>> Cheers,****
>>> ** **
>>> Sam****
>>> ** **
>>> On 12 March 2012 15:03, Roland Swingler <roland.swingler at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:****
>>>
>>> At the risk of opening this can of worms again, can we not do****
>>> something about these vague recruiter job descriptions? They seem to****
>>> be more prevalent over the past month or so. The previous discussion****
>>> seemed to be heavily biased against having recruiters post at all; the**
>>> **
>>> posting guidelines (http://lrug.org/posting-jobs) seem pretty clear****
>>> about not posting job adverts like the one below, which tell me****
>>> absolutely nothing about the company.****
>>> ** **
>>> My vote would be a warning followed by banning from the list for****
>>> people who blatantly ignore these guidelines if this is not too much****
>>> work to administer. To be clear, I'm not against job postings, I'm****
>>> against postings like the one below.****
>>> ** **
>>> Thoughts?****
>>> ** **
>>> Roland****
>>> ** **
>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Matthew Geppert <matt at osrecruit.com>
>>> wrote:****
>>>
>>> Hi all,****
>>> ** **
>>> I'm in urgent need of Ruby on Rails contractors to work a minimum of
>>> 6months****
>>> starting ASAP - The daily rate is dependant on experience.****
>>> ** **
>>> This company is passionate about their products and the evolving****
>>> technologies they use to build them. As a ruby on rails Developer you
>>> will****
>>> need to share their passion for craftsmanship in software design and****
>>> development and continuous improvement in the techniques, tools and****
>>> languages they use; as well as have an appreciation for business
>>> objectives****
>>> and delivering superior, innovative software solutions.****
>>> ** **
>>> Essential Skills:****
>>> ** **
>>> * Ruby on Rails****
>>> * Strong Object Oriented design skills****
>>> * Previous experience with test-driven development, automated testing***
>>> *
>>> frameworks and related tools such as JUnit, RSpec, Cucumber, JBehave,***
>>> *
>>> Selenium and JMock****
>>> * Proven experience working with Continuous Integration and Revision
>>> Control****
>>> systems such as Bamboo, Hudson and CruiseControl and Subversion, git or
>>> CVS****
>>> * Strong interpersonal and relationship building skills within an Agile*
>>> ***
>>> project teams****
>>> * Ability to understand a technology problem in light of a broader
>>> product****
>>> vision****
>>> ** **
>>> If you are interested or need further information, please send me an
>>> email****
>>> with your CV, github URL's and blog address now for an immediate
>>> response -****
>>> all conversations are strictly confidential.****
>>> ** **
>>> I hope to hear from you soon.****
>>> ** **
>>> Matthew Geppert****
>>> mail: matt at osrecruit.com****
>>> web: www.osrecruit.com****
>>> tel: +44 (0) 1992 565 627****
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