[LRUG] Continuous * (Happy New Year!)

Matthias Berth matthias.berth at gmail.com
Tue Jan 8 03:19:12 PST 2019

Hi Sam,

Why are you rebasing in the first place?
Can't you just make a feature branch off master, then merge it back into
master? And deploy to staging and production from the master branch?

I also wonder why your 20 minutes sanity checks cannot be automated. Are
you doing something new / creative every time you do these tests?
Great discussion!



On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 11:48 AM Gareth Adams <g at rethada.ms> wrote:

> Sam, I don't have a grand answer to your whole question, but a phrase
> leapt out at me and I wanted to flag it:
> > rebasing along the pipeline
> To me, this suggests the code on your staging branch is not the same as
> the code you end up deploying to production (and it might not be the same
> as the code in your master branch)
> I guess there are a few reasons that could be: you're storing some
> environment-specific configuration on your environment branches, and can't
> merge them all together, or maybe your environment branches contain a
> different combination of feature branches that you're trying to keep
> control of?
> Either way, I'd consider how (or if) you could change your workflow to
> make sure you deploy the same code everywhere (or at least deploy the same
> code to production that you deploy to staging). That's the basis behind
> e.g. Heroku pipelines' "Promote" button and it's the pattern I commonly see
> now
> On Tue, 8 Jan 2019, 10:13 Samuel Joseph <tansaku at gmail.com wrote:
>> Hi Gerhard,
>> On 07/01/2019 12:00, Gerhard Lazu wrote:
>> Hi Sam,
>> What determines that a build can go from your development environment
>> into staging?
>> Good question, the answer is:
>> 1) that all the unit, integration and acceptance tests pass
>> 2) that there are no merge conflicts
>> 3) that the manual sanity checks on develop are coming back okay
>> And from staging into production? If you can capture this in code, you
>> can put it into a pipeline.
>> I don't think there's any way we can remove the manual sanity checks as
>> the acceptance tests are just not that reliable, and although we've poured
>> 1000's of hours into them and ultimately I can't see any way of making them
>> perfect.
>> I didn't think the presence of a manual step would prevent us using a
>> pipeline, in as much as I thought of a pipeline as just being a series of
>> servers with matching branches and code is them moved along them whether
>> manually or automatically.  Heroku calls such things pipelines and seems to
>> have no support for automatically moving code along them, it's purely
>> manual from what I can see.
>> Why do you have 3 pipelines?
>> I don't think we do.  As I understand it, we have one pipeline:
>> develop branch + develop server ---> staging branch + staging server --->
>> master branch + production server
>> That's three paired branches/servers in one pipeline.  Here's a
>> screenshot of how Heroku presents our pipeline in their pipeline
>> interface.  Note the button "Promote to staging" which allows you to
>> manually move the code on the develop server to the staging server, but
>> doesn't actually do a rebase of the code from develop branch to staging:
>> Based on the questions that you're asking, I believe that it would help
>> if you had a single pipeline.
>> I agree - I think we do, but perhaps I'm wrong ...
>> The question that I would focus on is *What would it take to have a
>> single pipeline that has an end-goal of creating production builds*?
>> Here is a pipeline example which stops after it publishes a Docker image: changelog.com,
>> CircleCI
>> <https://circleci.com/workflow-run/065467ef-87c0-4f5e-a2ab-5e11be12403f>.
>> Ooh, thanks for sharing! I had to log in to CircleCI to see that:
>> but that looks really interesting.
>> If you are using something like Docker Swarm or Kubernetes, the
>> platform/ecosystem has all the necessary tools to keep deployment concerns
>> self-contained. In the changelog.com case, the Docker stack that
>> captures the entire deployment has an update component that is
>> responsible for app updates
>> <https://github.com/thechangelog/changelog.com/blob/cf2ebe0de0f35c96bf664b8bc9183bd1f3468565/docker/changelog.stack.yml#L15-L31>.
>> In this specific case, if the new app version starts and is healthy for 30
>> seconds, it gets automatically promoted to live. We have been using a
>> similar approach since October 2016 <http://changelog.com/podcast/254>,
>> a Docker stack just makes it easier.
>> I want to spur your imagination by sharing the pipeline that is
>> responsible for RabbitMQ v3.7.x
>> <https://ci.rabbitmq.com/teams/main/pipelines/server-release:v3.7.x>.
>> This pipeline captures what is possible if imagination is set free:
>> Wow, that RabbitMQ pipeline looks amazing - and I've only captured part
>> of it in the screenshot:
>> * tests & builds 30+ apps...
>> * on all supported major runtime version...
>> * and all supported OSes
>> * tests upgrades
>> * tests client support
>> * releases alphas, betas, RCs & GAs
>> * and publishes to all supported distribution channels
>> I hope this helps, Gerhard.
>> That's extremely helpful - thankyou!
>> But so just to be clear, there is something in these pipelines that
>> you're sharing that regularly moves code from one branch to another?  And
>> that's something that CircleCI and RabbitMQ provide?  Or these are
>> pipelines where the same code in the same branch is being moved through a
>> series of servers, based on tests and checks passing at each server?
>> Many thanks in advance
>> Best, Sam
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