<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi, <DIV>I just found this <FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica"><A href="http://code.whytheluckystiff.net/hacketyhack/">http://code.whytheluckystiff.net/hacketyhack/</A></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica">It looks like a very good place to begin with if you are new to programming and ruby,</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica">Cheers,</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica">Eran.<BR></FONT><DIV><DIV>On 18 Apr 2007, at 11:53, Suw Charman wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I like this idea too, but I fear I am too much of a novice, even for</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">this! But perhaps if we can settle on some prior reading - achievable</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">by next month - and then maybe those of us who feel too unsure can</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">just do the basics, and those who have apps where they are stuck can</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">get help. I mean, with learning it's always horses for courses - what</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">works as a learning method for some people doesn't work for others. We</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">just have to ensure we have enough people willing to teach!</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On 4/18/07, Peter Jones <<A href="mailto:peterbjones@yahoo.com">peterbjones@yahoo.com</A>> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">An alternative would be for the Rails beginners to</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">start building their applications using some of the</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">getting started books, and get as far as they can</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">before they get stuck. 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