<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">Interesting. I think this would be pretty cool to do. I guess it depends on how we pitch it<DIV>/ audience expectations.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"><DIV><DIV><DIV><DIV><DIV><DIV>I know there was a Rails track at QCon that was held a while back. For those who attended</DIV><DIV>what was the general consensus from Java developers on Ruby?</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>The kind of questions I reckon that Java developers would like to get answered are:</DIV><DIV>"How did you go from Ruby to Java? What are the hurdles? What kind of stuff are you doing?</DIV><DIV>What changes has it meant for you?" and so on...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>My first thought is to have a panel of recent Java to Ruby converts backed up by some</DIV><DIV>more experienced Rubyists. We could then do a series of lightening talks complimented</DIV><DIV>with questions from the audience to the panel. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Thoughts?</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On 29 May 2007, at 11:56, Murray Steele wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Skills Matter are hosting No Fluff, Just Stuff (a big Java conference) in London later this year. They've asked if we'd like to run a Birds of a Feather session on one of the evenings. It's not entirely random as a lot of the sessions at NFJS will be about agile practices and a few will be about JRuby and scripting. <BR><BR>That said, I'm not entirely sure what a LRUG Java-focused BoF session might entail beyond being smug about XML configuration files and the depth of exception traces in J2EE, and that doesn't sound particularly helpful or friendly. <BR><BR>So, does anyone else have a good idea for a java / ruby / agile focused BoF session and (most importantly) want to run it?<BR><BR>Muz<BR><BR>---------- Forwarded message ----------<BR><SPAN class="gmail_quote">From: <B class="gmail_sendername">Joanna Go</B> <<A href="mailto:joanna.go@skillsmatter.com">joanna.go@skillsmatter.com</A>><BR>Date: 23-May-2007 11:22<BR>Subject: BOF sessions wih LRUG at No Fluff Just Stuff eXchange, London <BR>To: Murray Steele <<A href="mailto:murray.steele@gmail.com">murray.steele@gmail.com</A>><BR><BR></SPAN>Hi Murray,<BR><BR>I hope all is well!<BR><BR>Skills Matter is co-organising the first No Fluff Just Stuff in London <BR>called the No Fluff Just Stuff (NFJS) eXchange. I'm not sure whether<BR>you are familiar with NFJS in the States (more info here:<BR><A href="http://www.nofluffjuststuff.com">http://www.nofluffjuststuff.com</A>). It's basically a series of <BR>conferences that travel throughout the US where delegates can learn and<BR>talk with industry experts and other delegates, as well as see real<BR>world case studies and delve into hands-on code about the latest<BR>developments in Java and Agile practices. It's very popular in the <BR>States and the first one in the UK will be held on August 29th-31st.<BR>More on the NFJS eXchange can be found here: (<A href="http://www.nfjs-exchange.com">http://www.nfjs-exchange.com</A>).<BR><BR>The reason I'm asking whether LRUG would be interested in hosting a BOF <BR>Session at the eXchange is because we are going to have a talk on JRuby,<BR>amongst other sessions.<BR><BR>On top of that we will be offering local user groups a discount on the<BR>tickets for the eXchange! I'll send over more details of that in the <BR>next coming weeks.<BR><BR>Do you think either of these things would be of interest to the<BR>LRUGers? 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