<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><DIV>This is what I love about rails.. poeple pointing a points forard with an issue and 3 responces that can solve it (have already solved it) it is open source so can everyone add how they fix a problem and help on and issues rather than put down ideas.. (i.e. the point of open source..)</DIV><IMG style="WIDTH: 55px; HEIGHT: 72px" alt=Lyagushka src="http://proton.prosperitycapital.com/images/Lyagushka.jpg"> <IMG style="WIDTH: 150px; HEIGHT: 66px" alt=Proton src="http://proton.prosperitycapital.com/images/proton.jpg"><FONT size=1><BR></FONT><FONT size=1><FONT size=3><BR>David Henry<BR>Chief Technology Officer<BR>Lyagushka Limited<BR>Phone: +44 78 7928 2112<BR></FONT></FONT><A rel=nofollow></A>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> "chat-request@lists.lrug.org" <chat-request@lists.lrug.org><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> chat@lists.lrug.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Fri, 2 October, 2009 10:01:42 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Chat Digest, Vol 45, Issue 6<BR></FONT><BR>Send Chat mailing list submissions to<BR> <A href="mailto:chat@lists.lrug.org" ymailto="mailto:chat@lists.lrug.org">chat@lists.lrug.org</A><BR><BR>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR> <A href="http://lists.lrug.org/listinfo.cgi/chat-lrug.org" target=_blank>http://lists.lrug.org/listinfo.cgi/chat-lrug.org</A><BR>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR> <A href="mailto:chat-request@lists.lrug.org"
ymailto="mailto:chat-request@lists.lrug.org">chat-request@lists.lrug.org</A><BR><BR>You can reach the person managing the list at<BR> <A href="mailto:chat-owner@lists.lrug.org" ymailto="mailto:chat-owner@lists.lrug.org">chat-owner@lists.lrug.org</A><BR><BR>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>than "Re: Contents of Chat digest..."<BR><BR><BR>Today's Topics:<BR><BR> 1. Re: Rails in the wonderful, wonderful Cloud (Michael Mullany)<BR> 2. Ruby Foo (Aleksandar Simic)<BR><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 1<BR>Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:37:41 -0700<BR>From: Michael Mullany <<A href="mailto:mmullany@engineyard.com" ymailto="mailto:mmullany@engineyard.com">mmullany@engineyard.com</A>><BR>To: <A href="mailto:chat@lists.lrug.org" ymailto="mailto:chat@lists.lrug.org">chat@lists.lrug.org</A><BR>Subject: Re: [LRUG] Rails in the wonderful,
wonderful Cloud<BR>Message-ID:<BR> <<A href="mailto:7b9c69b80910011537x682378d2y8502f143e83b820c@mail.gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:7b9c69b80910011537x682378d2y8502f143e83b820c@mail.gmail.com">7b9c69b80910011537x682378d2y8502f143e83b820c@mail.gmail.com</A>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR><BR>>> I chose Engine Yard for a large project and now, in retrospect, wish<BR>>> I'd gone elsewhere. They are probably appropriate for particular kinds<BR>>> of application but my main problems with them are that a) they're<BR>>> expensive and b) their stack is very constrained. Both of these are<BR>>> because of the support they offer but I've found that support to be<BR>>> strong on the Ruby/Rails side of things (which I don't actually need,<BR>>> because Rails basically works and I can fix it when it doesn't) but<BR>>> not so great on the more general sysadmin side (which I do
need<BR>>> because it's a waste of my time).<BR><BR>Tom, the old "slice" product looked like it had a high sticker price<BR>compared to conventional hosting,<BR>but there was a huge amount of other resources and services bundled<BR>into that price. Since most people had a<BR>hard time parsing that out, we've gone with a much simpler, (and<BR>lower) price structure for our new Cloud<BR>product which has a lot more features than the old slice product, but<BR>bundles a few less "extras" and services.<BR>It used to be that you couldn't get onto any form of Engine Yard for<BR>less than $1,200, the entry price<BR>is now $115 for a month of a small cloud instance without support, or<BR>if you just want to try it out,<BR>it's $25 minimum. And it's all self-service to get set up, you don't<BR>have to talk to anyone if you<BR>don't want to (and lots of people don't)<BR><BR>Your comment about constrained stack is true, we can only support<BR>nginx,
passenger, mongrel, mysql, postgres,<BR>memcached, tokyo, redis, backgroundrb, delayedjob, sphinx,<BR>jruby/glassfish today with some help for AMQP, solr and others. But<BR>this means that we REALLY support these. Our support guys know these<BR>components and most of their quirks pretty well<BR>and we watch for security vulnerabilities and new versions. On cloud<BR>you get patched up to date every time<BR>you do a redeploy. For stuff that we don't support there's always your<BR>chance to write chef recipes to<BR>automate installation and configuration. We can't be experts on<BR>everything, unfortunately, and it takes us<BR>a little time to put new stuff through its paces.<BR><BR><BR>>> If you want more than a paltry amount of RAM with Engine Yard you'll<BR>>> need to pay extra for it, but you're going to need that RAM because<BR>>> they only support 64-bit mongrels running stock Ruby 1.8.6; if you<BR>>> want to run Passenger +
REE, for example, you're out of luck. I now<BR><BR>The new cloud stuff from Engine Yard gives you a minimum 1.7Gb AWS instance and<BR>passes through bandwidth and storage charges from AWS at cost.<BR><BR>>> think I'd personally be better off with the simplicity and flexibility<BR>>> of something like Slicehost: letting them take care of keeping the<BR>>> servers up, letting myself take responsibility for architectural<BR>>> decisions (plus a nice web control panel for fiddling with DNS etc<BR>>> instead of having to open a ticket for everything), and spending the<BR>>> extra money on larger slices full of memcached and/or more mongrels.<BR>>> Of course YMMV but it's pretty easy to see that deploying Rails<BR>>> applications is much easier than it used to be, and that fact alone<BR>>> makes Engine Yard's offering less compelling than it used to be.<BR><BR>>> Note that I'm talking about their
conventional virtualised slices<BR>>> here, not Solo or whatever other new cloud-style stuff they might be<BR>>> doing.<BR><BR>The cloud-stuff is a veeery different beast from the classic Slices. Check<BR>it out -- you might change your opinion. Also someone said you won't need<BR>scale-up/down of cloud. Data from our customer base shows that our median<BR>customer has about a 4:1 peak to trough traffic load (over months long<BR>sampling periods) so you can save money with easy scale-up/down if you're<BR>a typical site.<BR><BR>Michael Mullany<BR>Engine Yard<BR>-------------- next part --------------<BR>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>URL: <<A href="http://lists.lrug.org/pipermail/chat-lrug.org/attachments/20091001/8105deba/attachment.html" target=_blank>http://lists.lrug.org/pipermail/chat-lrug.org/attachments/20091001/8105deba/attachment.html</A>><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 2<BR>Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009
11:53:13 +0100<BR>From: Aleksandar Simic <<A href="mailto:asimic@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:asimic@gmail.com">asimic@gmail.com</A>><BR>To: <A href="mailto:chat@lists.lrug.org" ymailto="mailto:chat@lists.lrug.org">chat@lists.lrug.org</A><BR>Subject: [LRUG] Ruby Foo<BR>Message-ID:<BR> <<A href="mailto:7d1be6610910020353y2f2d0f03y3e137457a73c446d@mail.gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:7d1be6610910020353y2f2d0f03y3e137457a73c446d@mail.gmail.com">7d1be6610910020353y2f2d0f03y3e137457a73c446d@mail.gmail.com</A>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<BR><BR>Hi,<BR><BR>RubyFoo have already posted some pics from the conf:<BR><BR><A href="http://twitter.com/RubyFooLondon" target=_blank>http://twitter.com/RubyFooLondon</A><BR><BR>Its really good to view if you are using Brizzly, as it shows pictures inline.<BR><BR>Anybody care to give a update "from the trenches", if they are at the
conf?<BR><BR>Thanks<BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Chat mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:Chat@lists.lrug.org" ymailto="mailto:Chat@lists.lrug.org">Chat@lists.lrug.org</A><BR><A href="http://lists.lrug.org/listinfo.cgi/chat-lrug.org" target=_blank>http://lists.lrug.org/listinfo.cgi/chat-lrug.org</A><BR><BR><BR>End of Chat Digest, Vol 45, Issue 6<BR>***********************************<BR></DIV></DIV></div><br>
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