<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Great idea<br><br>On 19 May 2010, at 13:02, jds <<a href="mailto:jds340@gmail.com">jds340@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>go for it<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 19 May 2010 08:11, Tim Benest <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thb@taskforce.co.uk"><a href="mailto:thb@taskforce.co.uk">thb@taskforce.co.uk</a></a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div class="h5"><br>On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Jordi Noguera Leon<br><<a href="mailto:jordinoguera83@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:jordinoguera83@gmail.com">jordinoguera83@gmail.com</a></a>> wrote:<br>> Good stuff, go for it!<br>><br>> On 19 May 2010 05:07, Matthew Rudy Jacobs <<a href="mailto:matthewrudyjacobs@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:matthewrudyjacobs@gmail.com">matthewrudyjacobs@gmail.com</a></a>><br>
> wrote:<br>>><br>>> Sounds really interesting.<br>>> If I could be there, I'd vote for it.<br>>><br>>> On 19 May 2010 04:57, Murray Steele <<a href="mailto:murray.steele@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:murray.steele@gmail.com">murray.steele@gmail.com</a></a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>>>> Hi all,<br>>>> Just to remind you that the next meeting will be on Monday 14th June.<br>>>> I'm just starting to sort out talks for it, but I wanted to offer up a talk<br>
>>> that I'd like to give. The talk is called "My First Ruby" and in it I will<br>>>> show off the first ruby script I ever wrote.<br>>>> I think you might enjoy this because:<br>
>>> 1. It's a mailing list with a web front-end. The web stuff is pre-rails<br>>>> and I think it's interesting in terms of "look how far we've come".<br>>>> Seriously, if you've never done web development without a higher-level<br>
>>> framework like rails you'll be amazed. (For anyone who's heard of it, it<br>>>> uses NARF).<br>>>> 2. I can pretty much guarantee* that my first ruby code is worse than<br>>>> your first ruby code. So for any newbies in the room, it should come as<br>
>>> welcome relief that even apparent old-hands like myself have written<br>>>> terrible code (and it truly is terrible code), made terrible design<br>>>> decisions, and done both without the safety net of TDD. Of course,<br>
>>> hopefully in the talk I'll point out why, if writing this again, I would use<br>>>> TDD. At the end I hope this talk will make people feel less embarrassed<br>>>> about showing off code of their own at future events; I'll be setting a<br>
>>> base-level of awfulness.<br>>>> 3. This bit of software was written in a weekend and has been in<br>>>> "production" for 7 years 11 months (according to the date I filled in for<br>
>>> "when I first started using Ruby" on my Working With Rails profile) and it's<br>>>> been remarkably stable and unchanged for those 7 years. I've no real<br>>>> evidence for this, but it's a scientific fact that it's the longest running<br>
>>> piece of ruby software in the world... wouldn't you like to see inside it?<br>>>> So, can I give it?<br>>>> Muz<br>>>><br>>>> * not a guarantee**<br>>>> ** it is a bit<br>
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