as a prospective first-time attender I second Mark.<div>I would love to see a show of hands at the meeting and views about testing frameworks and maybe a bit more detailed arguments</div><div>from proponents of alternatives.</div>
<div>That said I am not sure if this already counts as hijacking the original plan of pure cuke.</div><div>Plus, it would be good to avoid pointless religious debates.</div><div><br></div><div>Looking forward to meeting you all</div>
<div>Vik</div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Mark Weston <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mark@markweston.me.uk">mark@markweston.me.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
I'm new to Cucumber and BDD in general, and in fact this discussion has caused me to de-lurk and book my first LRUG attendance. I've been using Cucumber for the first time this week and actually surprised myself by really enjoying it. While I'd look forward to seeing tips, examples and use cases for Cucumber, I'd be just as interested <br>
in hearing the dialogue between more experienced developers from both the pro- and anti-cucumber points of view. <div><br></div><div>After all, anyone can buy the Rspec book or trawl the web to find a bunch of blog-posts, tutorials and conference talks; and I already have! But intelligent well-reasoned discussions are harder to find, and dialogue between different points of view can be a great way at delving deeper into an issue.</div>
<div><br></div><div><font color="#888888">Mark</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 8 October 2010 11:21, James Adam <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:james@lazyatom.com" target="_blank">james@lazyatom.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hello comrades,<br>
<div><br>
On 28 September 2010 15:14, Murray Steele <<a href="mailto:murray.steele@gmail.com" target="_blank">murray.steele@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hi everyone,<br>
> As mentioned at the previous LRUG meeting the October meeting will be a<br>
> Cucumber workshop run by Joseph Wilk.<br>
<br>
</div>There's been quite a bit of chatter today on The Twitter about the<br>
Cucumber workshop, principally from cucumber doubters or skeptics (of<br>
which I count myself as one).<br>
<div><br>
> This meeting will be slightly different as Joseph wants it to be an<br>
> interactive affair instead of just him going through a long cucumber<br>
> presentation. He wants people with cucumber experience, good or bad, to get<br>
> in touch and help shape the meeting.<br>
<br>
</div>Murray mentioned above that Joseph wanted people to get in touch to<br>
help shape the meeting - I was wondering what he thought about things<br>
at the moment?<br>
<br>
Personally, I'd love to talk about whether or not Cucumber buys you<br>
anything over using code, and people's approach to testing in general,<br>
but this kind of discussion can easily descending into loggerheaded<br>
frustration and meaningless froth.<br>
<br>
The last thing I'd want to do is leave the silent majority unhappy<br>
because they were quite reasonably hoping for an evening of practical<br>
tricks and techniques.<br>
<br>
I think we might all benefit from a clearer idea of Joseph's goals and<br>
intended structure, so we can all get a better idea about how best to<br>
engage (or disengage) with the evening in a way that's<br>
constructive...?<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
- James<br>
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