I think the copy was ripped off, so even more lazy from the recruiting business!<div><br></div><div>If this issue really wanted to be resolved, it could be that LRug charge for job adverts from recruiters, either on a per-advert basis or even taking a fee for successful placements. Then using the cash for the greater good of the community. Depends if admin have the time or inclination.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Just a thought though.</div><div><br></div><div>Harry.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 12 March 2012 15:22, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chat-request@lists.lrug.org">chat-request@lists.lrug.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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1. Re: [JOBS] Ruby on Rails Developer - 6month contract -<br>
STARTING ASAP (Sidu Ponnappa)<br>
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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 20:50:57 +0530<br>
From: Sidu Ponnappa <<a href="mailto:ckponnappa@gmail.com">ckponnappa@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: London Ruby Users Group <<a href="mailto:chat@lists.lrug.org">chat@lists.lrug.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [LRUG] [JOBS] Ruby on Rails Developer - 6month contract -<br>
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Soundcloud?<br>
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Best,<br>
Sidu.<br>
<a href="http://rubymonk.com" target="_blank">http://rubymonk.com</a><br>
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On Mar 12, 2012 8:44 PM, "Richard Taylor" <<a href="mailto:richard@richt.co.uk">richard@richt.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Either the copy was ripped off this advert or its a Berlin-based company?<br>
><br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Ruby-on-Rails-developer-company-27822.S.85496137" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Ruby-on-Rails-developer-company-27822.S.85496137</a><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Richard Taylor<br>
><br>
> On Monday, 12 March 2012 at 15:13, Tom Blomfield wrote:<br>
><br>
> I had the same thought a couple of weeks ago, and it is a lot of fun...<br>
><br>
> I'm just a little concerned that we're just encouraging recruiters to post<br>
> even vaguer descriptions....<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Tom Blomfield<br>
> <a href="tel:%2B44%207767%20484619" value="+447767484619">+44 7767 484619</a><br>
><br>
> <a href="http://gocardless.com" target="_blank">gocardless.com</a><br>
><br>
> On Monday, 12 March 2012 at 15:09, Sam Phillips wrote:<br>
><br>
> I was wondering only this morning if we could address this by guessing<br>
> the name of the company when an advert came through. I know at least<br>
> 60% of the time who it is, and if the convention was to reveal the<br>
> name, maybe recruiters would learn(!) to not post ads without company<br>
> names?<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
><br>
> Sam<br>
><br>
> On 12 March 2012 15:03, Roland Swingler <<a href="mailto:roland.swingler@gmail.com">roland.swingler@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> At the risk of opening this can of worms again, can we not do<br>
> something about these vague recruiter job descriptions? They seem to<br>
> be more prevalent over the past month or so. The previous discussion<br>
> seemed to be heavily biased against having recruiters post at all; the<br>
> posting guidelines (<a href="http://lrug.org/posting-jobs" target="_blank">http://lrug.org/posting-jobs</a>) seem pretty clear<br>
> about not posting job adverts like the one below, which tell me<br>
> absolutely nothing about the company.<br>
><br>
> My vote would be a warning followed by banning from the list for<br>
> people who blatantly ignore these guidelines if this is not too much<br>
> work to administer. To be clear, I'm not against job postings, I'm<br>
> against postings like the one below.<br>
><br>
> Thoughts?<br>
><br>
> Roland<br>
><br>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Matthew Geppert <<a href="mailto:matt@osrecruit.com">matt@osrecruit.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi all,<br>
><br>
> I'm in urgent need of Ruby on Rails contractors to work a minimum of<br>
> 6months<br>
> starting ASAP - The daily rate is dependant on experience.<br>
><br>
> This company is passionate about their products and the evolving<br>
> technologies they use to build them. As a ruby on rails Developer you will<br>
> need to share their passion for craftsmanship in software design and<br>
> development and continuous improvement in the techniques, tools and<br>
> languages they use; as well as have an appreciation for business objectives<br>
> and delivering superior, innovative software solutions.<br>
><br>
> Essential Skills:<br>
><br>
> * Ruby on Rails<br>
> * Strong Object Oriented design skills<br>
> * Previous experience with test-driven development, automated testing<br>
> frameworks and related tools such as JUnit, RSpec, Cucumber, JBehave,<br>
> Selenium and JMock<br>
> * Proven experience working with Continuous Integration and Revision<br>
> Control<br>
> systems such as Bamboo, Hudson and CruiseControl and Subversion, git or CVS<br>
> * Strong interpersonal and relationship building skills within an Agile<br>
> project teams<br>
> * Ability to understand a technology problem in light of a broader product<br>
> vision<br>
><br>
> If you are interested or need further information, please send me an email<br>
> with your CV, github URL's and blog address now for an immediate response -<br>
> all conversations are strictly confidential.<br>
><br>
> I hope to hear from you soon.<br>
><br>
> Matthew Geppert<br>
> mail: <a href="mailto:matt@osrecruit.com">matt@osrecruit.com</a><br>
> web: <a href="http://www.osrecruit.com" target="_blank">www.osrecruit.com</a><br>
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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:22:52 +0000<br>
From: Max Williams <<a href="mailto:toastkid.williams@gmail.com">toastkid.williams@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: London Ruby Users Group <<a href="mailto:chat@lists.lrug.org">chat@lists.lrug.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [LRUG] [JOBS] Ruby on Rails Developer - 6month contract -<br>
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That seems overly anti-recruiter. They're easy enough to ignore if you're<br>
not interested - that's why the JOBS tag was adopted.<br>
<br>
On 12 March 2012 15:19, Paul Doerwald <<a href="mailto:paul@liquidmedia.ca">paul@liquidmedia.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Maybe that says something about your actual value. Perhaps there is no<br>
> value to posting/reposting a job advertisement in a mailing list. Perhaps<br>
> your real value is in directly pursuing potential candidates.<br>
><br>
> Paul.<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Paul Doerwald<br>
> Chancellor<br>
> Liquid Media Inc.<br>
> <a href="tel:902-412-2492" value="+19024122492">902-412-2492</a><br>
><br>
> On Monday, 12 March, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Anna Burchfiel wrote:<br>
><br>
> Exactly. As a recruitment consultant, I won?t post the company I?m working<br>
> with unless I am working exclusively on a role, because if someone applies<br>
> directly to them I get nothing for passing on the information about it and<br>
> having them get the job. Perhaps we could come to some sort of gentlemen?s<br>
> agreement of giving the company name in the first instance someone contacts<br>
> you, since you would then already have their details to confirm your<br>
> interaction with them?****<br>
><br>
> ** **<br>
><br>
> Just a thought. ****<br>
><br>
> ** **<br>
><br>
> *Anna Burchfiel*<br>
> Consultant<br>
> *Volt *<br>
> 85 Gracechurch Street, London EC3V 0AA, United Kingdom****<br>
><br>
> *ddi: *****<br>
><br>
> <a href="tel:%2B44%20%280%29%20207%20648%204806" value="+442076484806">+44 (0) 207 648 4806</a>****<br>
><br>
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><br>
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> *From:* <a href="mailto:chat-bounces@lists.lrug.org">chat-bounces@lists.lrug.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:chat-bounces@lists.lrug.org">chat-bounces@lists.lrug.org</a><<a href="mailto:chat-bounces@lists.lrug.org">chat-bounces@lists.lrug.org</a>>]<br>
> *On Behalf Of *Tom Blomfield<br>
> *Sent:* 12 March 2012 15:13<br>
> *To:* London Ruby Users Group<br>
> *Subject:* Re: [LRUG] [JOBS] Ruby on Rails Developer - 6month contract -<br>
> STARTING ASAP****<br>
><br>
> ** **<br>
><br>
> I had the same thought a couple of weeks ago, and it is a lot of fun...***<br>
> *<br>
><br>
> ** **<br>
><br>
> I'm just a little concerned that we're just encouraging recruiters to post<br>
> even vaguer descriptions....****<br>
><br>
> ** **<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Tom Blomfield<br>
> <a href="tel:%2B44%207767%20484619" value="+447767484619">+44 7767 484619</a>****<br>
><br>
> ** **<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://gocardless.com" target="_blank">gocardless.com</a>****<br>
><br>
> ** **<br>
><br>
> On Monday, 12 March 2012 at 15:09, Sam Phillips wrote:****<br>
><br>
> I was wondering only this morning if we could address this by guessing****<br>
><br>
> the name of the company when an advert came through. I know at least****<br>
><br>
> 60% of the time who it is, and if the convention was to reveal the****<br>
><br>
> name, maybe recruiters would learn(!) to not post ads without company****<br>
><br>
> names?****<br>
><br>
> ** **<br>
><br>
> Cheers,****<br>
><br>
> ** **<br>
><br>
> Sam****<br>
><br>
> ** **<br>
><br>
> On 12 March 2012 15:03, Roland Swingler <<a href="mailto:roland.swingler@gmail.com">roland.swingler@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> ****<br>
><br>
> At the risk of opening this can of worms again, can we not do****<br>
><br>
> something about these vague recruiter job descriptions? They seem to****<br>
><br>
> be more prevalent over the past month or so. The previous discussion****<br>
><br>
> seemed to be heavily biased against having recruiters post at all; the****<br>
><br>
> posting guidelines (<a href="http://lrug.org/posting-jobs" target="_blank">http://lrug.org/posting-jobs</a>) seem pretty clear****<br>
><br>
> about not posting job adverts like the one below, which tell me****<br>
><br>
> absolutely nothing about the company.****<br>
><br>
> ** **<br>
><br>
> My vote would be a warning followed by banning from the list for****<br>
><br>
> people who blatantly ignore these guidelines if this is not too much****<br>
><br>
> work to administer. To be clear, I'm not against job postings, I'm****<br>
><br>
> against postings like the one below.****<br>
><br>
> ** **<br>
><br>
> Thoughts?****<br>
><br>
> ** **<br>
><br>
> Roland****<br>
><br>
> ** **<br>
><br>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Matthew Geppert <<a href="mailto:matt@osrecruit.com">matt@osrecruit.com</a>><br>
> wrote:****<br>
><br>
> Hi all,****<br>
><br>
> ** **<br>
><br>
> I'm in urgent need of Ruby on Rails contractors to work a minimum of<br>
> 6months****<br>
><br>
> starting ASAP - The daily rate is dependant on experience.****<br>
><br>
> ** **<br>
><br>
> This company is passionate about their products and the evolving****<br>
><br>
> technologies they use to build them. As a ruby on rails Developer you will<br>
> ****<br>
><br>
> need to share their passion for craftsmanship in software design and****<br>
><br>
> development and continuous improvement in the techniques, tools and****<br>
><br>
> languages they use; as well as have an appreciation for business objectives<br>
> ****<br>
><br>
> and delivering superior, innovative software solutions.****<br>
><br>
> ** **<br>
><br>
> Essential Skills:****<br>
><br>
> ** **<br>
><br>
> * Ruby on Rails****<br>
><br>
> * Strong Object Oriented design skills****<br>
><br>
> * Previous experience with test-driven development, automated testing****<br>
><br>
> frameworks and related tools such as JUnit, RSpec, Cucumber, JBehave,****<br>
><br>
> Selenium and JMock****<br>
><br>
> * Proven experience working with Continuous Integration and Revision<br>
> Control****<br>
><br>
> systems such as Bamboo, Hudson and CruiseControl and Subversion, git or CVS<br>
> ****<br>
><br>
> * Strong interpersonal and relationship building skills within an Agile***<br>
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><br>
> project teams****<br>
><br>
> * Ability to understand a technology problem in light of a broader product<br>
> ****<br>
><br>
> vision****<br>
><br>
> ** **<br>
><br>
> If you are interested or need further information, please send me an email<br>
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><br>
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><br>
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