<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>+1E10. Also, s/LRUG//. ;)<br><br><div>--</div>(Sent from phone; please excuse brevity.)</div><div><br>On Mar 12, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Kevin Monk <<a href="mailto:kevin@mangoswiss.com">kevin@mangoswiss.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>There's only one thing more spammy than LRUG recruiter job adverts... and that's the ensuing discussion. <div><div><br><div><div>On 12 Mar 2012, at 15:29, Roland Swingler wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">I don't want to filter out all job postings, only meaningless ones like the one in this thread. And I'm not specifically against recruiters either, for example Steve Buckley's email in January <a href="http://lists.lrug.org/pipermail/chat-lrug.org/2012-January/006798.html">http://lists.lrug.org/pipermail/chat-lrug.org/2012-January/006798.html</a> gave me a good idea of what domain the company was working in, the sort of work you might be doing and sounded like it came from a human being.<div>
<br></div><div>I just want to stop vague descriptions before the trickle becomes a deluge.</div><div><br></div><div>R<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Max Williams <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:toastkid.williams@gmail.com">toastkid.williams@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">That seems overly anti-recruiter. They're easy enough to ignore if you're not interested - that's why the JOBS tag was adopted.<div class="HOEnZb">
<div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 12 March 2012 15:19, Paul Doerwald <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paul@liquidmedia.ca" target="_blank">paul@liquidmedia.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Maybe that says something about your actual value. Perhaps there is no value to posting/reposting a job advertisement in a mailing list. Perhaps your real value is in directly pursuing potential candidates.
</div><span><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Paul.</div>
<div><div><br></div>-- <br>Paul Doerwald<br>Chancellor<div>Liquid Media Inc.</div><div><a href="tel:902-412-2492" value="+19024122492" target="_blank">902-412-2492</a></div><div><br></div></div></font></span><div>
<div><p style="color:#a0a0a8">On Monday, 12 March, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Anna Burchfiel wrote:</p>
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<span><div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Exactly. As a recruitment consultant, I won’t post the company I’m working with unless I am working exclusively on a role, because if someone applies directly to them I get nothing for passing on the information about it and having them get the job. Perhaps we could come to some sort of gentlemen’s agreement of giving the company name in the first instance someone contacts you, since you would then already have their details to confirm your interaction with them?<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Just a thought. <u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></div>
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<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:chat-bounces@lists.lrug.org" target="_blank">chat-bounces@lists.lrug.org</a> [<a href="mailto:chat-bounces@lists.lrug.org" target="_blank">mailto:chat-bounces@lists.lrug.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Blomfield<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 12 March 2012 15:13<br><b>To:</b> London Ruby Users Group<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [LRUG] [JOBS] Ruby on Rails Developer - 6month contract - STARTING ASAP<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">
<u></u> <u></u></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I had the same thought a couple of weeks ago, and it is a lot of fun...<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">
<u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I'm just a little concerned that we're just encouraging recruiters to post even vaguer descriptions....<u></u><u></u></div>
</div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-- <br>Tom Blomfield<br><a href="tel:%2B44%207767%20484619" value="+447767484619" target="_blank">+44 7767 484619</a><u></u><u></u></div>
<div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="http://gocardless.com/" target="_blank">gocardless.com</a><u></u><u></u></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><u></u> <u></u></div></div></div><p><span style="color:#a0a0a8">On Monday, 12 March 2012 at 15:09, Sam Phillips wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 8.0pt;margin-left:0cm;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">
I was wondering only this morning if we could address this by guessing<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">the name of the company when an advert came through. I know at least<u></u><u></u></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">60% of the time who it is, and if the convention was to reveal the<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">
name, maybe recruiters would learn(!) to not post ads without company<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">names?<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">
<u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">
<u></u> <u></u></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Sam<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><u></u> <u></u></div></div>
<div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On 12 March 2012 15:03, Roland Swingler <<a href="mailto:roland.swingler@gmail.com" target="_blank">roland.swingler@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div>
</div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">At the risk of opening this can of worms again, can we not do<u></u><u></u></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">something about these vague recruiter job descriptions? They seem to<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">
be more prevalent over the past month or so. The previous discussion<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">seemed to be heavily biased against having recruiters post at all; the<u></u><u></u></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">posting guidelines (<a href="http://lrug.org/posting-jobs" target="_blank">http://lrug.org/posting-jobs</a>) seem pretty clear<u></u><u></u></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">about not posting job adverts like the one below, which tell me<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">
absolutely nothing about the company.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></span></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>Chat mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:Chat@lists.lrug.org">Chat@lists.lrug.org</a></span><br><span><a href="http://lists.lrug.org/listinfo.cgi/chat-lrug.org">http://lists.lrug.org/listinfo.cgi/chat-lrug.org</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>