<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">Personally at least I tend to only care about job postings by the hiring company directly, enabling me to find out a lot about the role that might not be evident from the job posting itself. And for the most part I'll tend to simply dig up interesting companies by myself and contact them directly regardless of what the jobs/career page might or might not have on their site.</span><br></div><div><br>Also I tend to mostly ignore the "we want x,y,z" part, and only focus on the "to do a,b,c" part. Partly because x,y,z is meant to filter out the less fitting candidates, and partly cause x,y,z often includes some type of educational degree which I don't have as I was home-schooled from the age of 10. Thankfully <span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">I've found that most companies (within our field of work at least) really don't care about if you fit x,y,z as long as you're good at doing a,b,c.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">My point really is that if you know you're good at a,b,c then ignore x,y,z. Unless x,y,z itself shoots off warning signals in your mind about the company :)</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">-jim</span></div><div><br></div><div><br>On 22 Mar 2012, at 06:58, Mark Burns <<a href="mailto:markthedeveloper@gmail.com">markthedeveloper@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>It's an interesting mapping problem. The number of decent candidates are fewer than the number of roles, however the number of applicants is probably far greater. Historically, job postings have been about we want x,y,z to do a,b,c.<div>
The x,y,z type postings help with the initial filtering to at least get to possible decent candidates. However, whilst maybe useful for eliminating chancers this style of job posting does very little to attract decent candidates.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Decent candidates need to know which company to choose and why, to help with _their_ filtering criteria.</div><div>I'm not sure how you convey both levels of information in one post, but if anyone cracks the formula please post it to this list.</div>
<div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 22 March 2012 06:47, Anthony Green <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:anthony.green@bbc.co.uk">anthony.green@bbc.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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I'm continually disappointed by the quality of the recruitment offerings. All of which pretty much reduce the posting "to we want a code monkey of type Foo with skills x, y and z"<br>
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I always admired Eden and Chris Parson's holistic belief when taking on staff. For BBC Future Media, the security of our income model means there's occasionally room for individuals who share those same values to try and emulate Chris' approach.<br>
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Is it economic uncertainty that means companies don't follow the Eden way or just a lack of maturity in our industry?<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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