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To clarify, I don't expect someone to be an expert in a month. I totally agree that it takes years to get to that point. A month is about how long I reckon it would take to get to no longer being a net-negative for the team you're on, and in a position to pick up a project and (with coaching and code review) deliver it to a good standard.
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<p style="color: #A0A0A8;">On Wednesday, 28 March 2012 at 11:06, Andrew Premdas wrote:</p>
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<div id="quoted-message-content"><div><div>On 21 March 2012 23:41, Jon Wood <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jon@blankpad.net">jon@blankpad.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px">We're following what you've called "the Eden way" at Hubbub. Anyone half competent can learn a new language and its accompanying frameworks given a month or so to get up to speed, but someone without the mindset and passion for building software is never going to be a great developer.<br>
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<p style="color:#a0a0a8"></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Whilst I agree that mindset and passion are key things for being a good developer, the idea that you can learn a new language and its frameworks in a month seems pretty arrogant. Perhaps I have a different definition of learning or getting upto speed, but I find it a little disturbing that someone can think they can learn ruby in a month and know it. The same thing applies with technologies my particular beef is people thinking they know how to do TDD or BDD after a month. </div>
<div><br></div><div>This doesn't just apply to 'rockstar' devs who implicitly understand nosql in a week. This attitude is pervasive in our industry where skills are constantly overstated and at the same time belittled and not appreciated. Sure you can get a sketch of ruby in a month, and you can speed read War and Peace in 20 minutes but if you think you in any way done or even competent with either then your deluded.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Andrew</div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><div><p style="color:#a0a0a8">On Thursday, 22 March 2012 at 06:47, Anthony Green wrote:</p><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<span><div><div><div><br></div><div>I'm continually disappointed by the quality of the recruitment </div><div>offerings. All of which pretty much reduce the posting "to we want a </div><div>code monkey of type Foo with skills x, y and z"</div>
<div><br></div><div>I always admired Eden and Chris Parson's holistic belief when taking on </div><div>staff. For BBC Future Media, the security of our income model means </div><div>there's occasionally room for individuals who share those same values to </div>
<div>try and emulate Chris' approach.</div><div><br></div><div>Is it economic uncertainty that means companies don't follow the Eden </div><div>way or just a lack of maturity in our industry?</div><div><br></div><div>
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