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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hi Steve & LRUG,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I tried to make it last night but got diverted at the last minute. Just caught up with watching the talk and wanted to give my 2</span>¢<span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I agree with the comparison between the PHP markets a few years ago and the current RoR market. Interestingly Python is reminiscent of the Ruby market 2 years ago and I predict a boom in Python contracting. Also note that elite Zend/Drupal/Magento devs are still commanding day-rates comparable to elite ruby devs and still finding work with the same amount of ease.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I agree with you on the influx of new Ruby devs coming onto the market (I get multiple grads & PHP/Java/.net Devs looking to switch over to Rails get in contact a week for guidance). <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I think that what you have missed out on is the room for new adoption of Ruby-on-Rails by companies. The current market is primarily being driven by start-ups. Eventually what you will see is more and more big companies such as BBC, Sky, News International etc adopting and expanding on their RoR usage.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I think on the whole this balances out with the new developers coming onto the market so upper-mid-level / senior salaries will remain as they are now.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Strong contractors will remain on the same rates they are on. They will still be limited in quantity.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The people who will get squeezed are the upper-junior level and mid-level developers who are currently punching above their weight salary wise or are in contracts. These guys should be senior by the time market forces rebalance things so hopefully it won’t affect them, but I think in 1.5 years’ time there won’t be opportunities for this level of developer to be getting and extra £10-15k in a perm role or will be -£100 in a contract role.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I’m starting to make my first few placements of Ruby contractors in financial companies and the day-rates are higher than normal. If RoR really takes off in the financial industry then we will all be very rich :D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Best, Louis<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://www.LouisRoR.com">www.LouisRoR.com</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>[Louis Goff-Beardsley] – [@LouisRoR]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>[Working with all UK Rails teams of note. Offering developers the entire Rails market without bias or hassle]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>[Ultra-Specialised Independent Ruby-on-Rails Recruitment]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>> Add me on Skype right now: LouisGB1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>> Email/Skype/Gtalk/Jabba: <a href="mailto:LouisRoR@gmail.com"><span style='color:windowtext'>LouisRoR@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>> Mobile/Whatsapp: 07449 324 851 ¦ Land Line: 01183 276 608<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>> @LouisRoR<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>> <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/louisbeardsley"><span style='color:windowtext'>http://www.linkedin.com/in/louisbeardsley</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>> IRC: LouisGB - irc.freenode.org #LRUG, #NWRUG, #ruby, #rubyonrails<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:chat-bounces@lists.lrug.org">chat-bounces@lists.lrug.org</a> [<a href="mailto:chat-bounces@lists.lrug.org">mailto:chat-bounces@lists.lrug.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Buckley<br><b>Sent:</b> 12 February 2013 14:31<br><b>To:</b> London Ruby Users Group<br><b>Subject:</b> [LRUG] Follow up to last nights talk<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hey folks<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks for all the kind words following my talk last night. Quite a few of you asked me to expand on a few of my points so I'll be sticking a detailed blog post up this week along with the slides from last night.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It was great chatting to you lot in the pub afterwards and I hope you all managed to grab at least one free drink on us.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>As mentioned last night, we are still looking for decent Ruby folk so if you're looking for work either here in London (we have an office across from Waterloo station) or in Windsor, please get in touch. We're looking for both contract and permanent staff and you can find more details here: <a href="http://globaldev.co.uk/jobs/">http://globaldev.co.uk/jobs/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Many thanks<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:Consolas;color:#00ACFF'><br>Steve Buckley</span></b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Technical Recruitment Manager <a href="https://twitter.com/globaldev">@globaldev</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>P: <span class=apple-tab-span> </span></span></b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>01753 271289<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>M:<span class=apple-tab-span> </span></span></b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>07538 647117<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://www.globaldev.co.uk"><span style='color:#4787FF'><br></span><span style='color:#4787FF;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=117 height=111 id="_x0031_bee27f8-22e6-47b7-97f6-4b18e8d1ed17" src="cid:image001.png@01CE0931.477D6210"></span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>Global Personals is a limited company registered in England and Wales.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Registered number: 04880697<o:p></o:p></p><p>Registered office: Minton Place, Victoria Street, Windsor, Berkshire, SL4 1EG, United Kingdom<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>