<div dir="ltr">Also the follow-up discussion on Hacker News is quite relevant: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4115700">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4115700</a><div><br></div><div>Steve<br><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Steve Buckley <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:steve@hackerjobs.co" target="_blank">steve@hackerjobs.co</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Hey Rob<div class="im"><br><br>I'll try and simplify it for you.</div></span><div class="im"><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
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There are two primary factors at play:</div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">1. The extortionate costs in exchange for a poor service.</div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
2. The deceptive and underhanded tactics practiced by the majority of recruiters in the agency industry.</div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
If you want to explore those two points in a bit more detail then I suggest you read one of my older blog posts "All that's wrong with the Recruitment industry" - <a href="http://hackerjobs.co.uk/blog/2012/6/15/all-that-is-wrong-with-the-recruitment-industry" target="_blank">http://hackerjobs.co.uk/blog/2012/6/15/all-that-is-wrong-with-the-recruitment-industry</a></div>
<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><span class=""><font color="#888888">- Steve<br></font></span><div><div class="h5"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin:0px"><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Helvetica"><b>From: </b></span><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium">Rob Beattie <<a href="mailto:RBeattie@recruit360.co.uk" target="_blank">RBeattie@recruit360.co.uk</a>><br>
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<span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Helvetica"><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium">24 May 2013 10:29:47 BST<br></span></div><div style="margin:0px"><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Helvetica"><b>To: </b></span><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium">"<a href="mailto:chat@lists.lrug.org" target="_blank">chat@lists.lrug.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:chat@lists.lrug.org" target="_blank">chat@lists.lrug.org</a>><br>
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<div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Morning all,<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I hope you are well.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I appreciate this might be opening a can of worms but I’m keen to get your thoughts and ideally some advice.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I signed up to LRUG a month or so ago in order to try and gain a better understanding of the Ruby market in London. I’ve had a positive response from a few candidates but generally speaking I see antipathy towards recruitment consultants / agencies. <u></u><u></u></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I know there’s a stigma attached to our industry but I can assure you we aren’t all bad!<u></u><u></u></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">What I’m trying to understand is why employers, and to a certain extent candidates, are so against working with agencies? Is it because of fees? Have you had bad experiences? If it’s company policy, why is it company policy? <u></u><u></u></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I appreciate there are a lot of companies who now operate a direct sourcing model and simply don’t need to use agencies. I get that and I understand your reasoning behind this, but for companies who are struggling to find good candidates, and don’t have the resources in place to spend the majority of their day sourcing candidates, why won’t you use agencies?<u></u><u></u></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">For those of you who are open to working with agencies, what do you feel is the best way for me to approach your company? <u></u><u></u></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I’m open to suggestions, although things like die, rot in hell and get out of recruitment aren’t options I’m afraid :-)<u></u><u></u></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I take pride in what I do and so it would be really helpful to get your thoughts.<u></u><u></u></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I don’t want to clog up the mailing list so if you have any thoughts / advice, I’d be extremely grateful if you drop me an email or alternatively, feel free to give me a call. <u></u><u></u></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I look forward to hearing from you.<u></u><u></u></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Regards,<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
Rob<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">R<b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;color:navy">ob Beattie – Recruit360</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></b></div>
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