<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Yes and no :)</div><div><br></div><div>Some coders are not paid nearly enough, others earn more than they deserve.</div><div><br></div><div>There is a trend of very young rails devs who only know rails and have a year or 2 experience</div><div>but can earn amazing money... </div><div><br></div><div>But they tend to know the framework very very well and for the problems they solve do a good job.</div><div>However sooner or later as more people also jump on the bandwagon the pay for that skill set will level out.</div><div><br></div><div>I guess for a lot of them when they have to step out of web dev into broader software development they suddenly come</div><div>unstuck and build some nasty solutions. This is the learning curve to becoming a good dev but they are getting</div><div>paid well to screw up which is unusual.</div><div><br></div><div>However a good rails dev with great and diverse development background will make your company and be worth 5 mid</div><div>level devs at least :)</div><div><br></div><div>Rails development is in a bit of a bubble atm with high demand, but give it a few years and the market will be saturated !</div><div><br></div><div>Stephen</div><div><br>On 6 Jun 2013, at 17:16, Benji Lanyado <<a href="mailto:benjilanyado@gmail.com">benjilanyado@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><h1 class="instapaper_title" itemprop="headline" style="text-align: -webkit-auto; box-sizing: border-box; margin: 14px 0px 5px; padding: 0px; font-weight: 400; text-rendering: optimizelegibility; "><font size="3"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">I'm sure many of you have read this already, v thought provoking:</span></font></h1><div><font size="3"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></div><div><span style="font-family: '.HelveticaNeueUI'; font-size: 15px; line-height: 19px; white-space: nowrap; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><a href="http://www.aeonmagazine.com/living-together/james-somers-web-developer-money/">http://www.aeonmagazine.com/living-together/james-somers-web-developer-money/</a></span></div><div><span style="font-family: '.HelveticaNeueUI'; font-size: 15px; line-height: 19px; white-space: nowrap; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family: '.HelveticaNeueUI'; font-size: 15px; line-height: 19px; white-space: nowrap; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">The writer (a Ruby dev) essentially, argues that he is overvalued, and that what he does has little meaning. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: '.HelveticaNeueUI'; font-size: 15px; line-height: 19px; white-space: nowrap; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family: '.HelveticaNeueUI'; font-size: 15px; line-height: 19px; white-space: nowrap; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">Fwiw, I think he's wrong, but mostly because I think he demonstrates one of the things that troubles me the most about devs (I've only been one for a year): the seemingly permanent succession of talented, interested devs taking jobs they know they won't enjoy, or won't interest/challenge them, purely for the money. The problem, imo, is not an underlying vacuousness of coding itself, but rather a lack of self-worth, and not being able to see the wood from the trees when lotsa money is floated in front on your nose.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: '.HelveticaNeueUI'; font-size: 15px; line-height: 19px; white-space: nowrap; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family: '.HelveticaNeueUI'; font-size: 15px; line-height: 19px; white-space: nowrap; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">But that's just, like, my opinion. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: '.HelveticaNeueUI'; font-size: 15px; line-height: 19px; white-space: nowrap; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family: '.HelveticaNeueUI'; font-size: 15px; line-height: 19px; white-space: nowrap; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">Can we all cuddle now?</span></div><br><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"> </span></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>Chat mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:Chat@lists.lrug.org">Chat@lists.lrug.org</a></span><br><span><a href="http://lists.lrug.org/listinfo.cgi/chat-lrug.org">http://lists.lrug.org/listinfo.cgi/chat-lrug.org</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>