<div dir="ltr">patio11 et al said so on twitter, this article misses two pretty big points:<div><br></div><div style>* Venture-backed b2c companies with questionable value to society are over-represented in tech news and the headspace of a lot of people who write articles like this. If you build robots, write software for b2b, aerospace, healthcare, non-profits etc you're not in the tech press much because being in the tech press doesn't matter all that much to you or your stakeholders.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>* Developers in regular companies automate things, i.e. put people out of jobs. If you can replace entire departments with software, *of course* that job commands a higher pay. When you build the mining robot that does the job half as well at a tenth the price, then yes, you're worth more than the miner by any metric you could conceive of (apart from perhaps saltiness and machismo).</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Stephen Strudwick <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stephen@strud.me.uk" target="_blank">stephen@strud.me.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Yes and no :)</div><div><br></div><div>Some coders are not paid nearly enough, others earn more than they deserve.</div>
<div><br></div><div>There is a trend of very young rails devs who only know rails and have a year or 2 experience</div><div>but can earn amazing money... </div><div><br></div><div>But they tend to know the framework very very well and for the problems they solve do a good job.</div>
<div>However sooner or later as more people also jump on the bandwagon the pay for that skill set will level out.</div><div><br></div><div>I guess for a lot of them when they have to step out of web dev into broader software development they suddenly come</div>
<div>unstuck and build some nasty solutions. This is the learning curve to becoming a good dev but they are getting</div><div>paid well to screw up which is unusual.</div><div><br></div><div>However a good rails dev with great and diverse development background will make your company and be worth 5 mid</div>
<div>level devs at least :)</div><div><br></div><div>Rails development is in a bit of a bubble atm with high demand, but give it a few years and the market will be saturated !</div><div><br></div><div>Stephen</div><div><div class="h5">
<div><br>On 6 Jun 2013, at 17:16, Benji Lanyado <<a href="mailto:benjilanyado@gmail.com" target="_blank">benjilanyado@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><h1 style="text-align:-webkit-auto;margin:14px 0px 5px;padding:0px;font-weight:400">
<font size="3"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">I'm sure many of you have read this already, v thought provoking:</span></font></h1><div><font size="3"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br>
</span></font></div><div><span style="font-family:'.HelveticaNeueUI';font-size:15px;line-height:19px;white-space:nowrap"><a href="http://www.aeonmagazine.com/living-together/james-somers-web-developer-money/" target="_blank">http://www.aeonmagazine.com/living-together/james-somers-web-developer-money/</a></span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:'.HelveticaNeueUI';font-size:15px;line-height:19px;white-space:nowrap"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:'.HelveticaNeueUI';font-size:15px;line-height:19px;white-space:nowrap">The writer (a Ruby dev) essentially, argues that he is overvalued, and that what he does has little meaning. </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:'.HelveticaNeueUI';font-size:15px;line-height:19px;white-space:nowrap"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:'.HelveticaNeueUI';font-size:15px;line-height:19px;white-space:nowrap">Fwiw, I think he's wrong, but mostly because I think he demonstrates one of the things that troubles me the most about devs (I've only been one for a year): the seemingly permanent succession of talented, interested devs taking jobs they know they won't enjoy, or won't interest/challenge them, purely for the money. The problem, imo, is not an underlying vacuousness of coding itself, but rather a lack of self-worth, and not being able to see the wood from the trees when lotsa money is floated in front on your nose.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:'.HelveticaNeueUI';font-size:15px;line-height:19px;white-space:nowrap"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:'.HelveticaNeueUI';font-size:15px;line-height:19px;white-space:nowrap">But that's just, like, my opinion. </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:'.HelveticaNeueUI';font-size:15px;line-height:19px;white-space:nowrap"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:'.HelveticaNeueUI';font-size:15px;line-height:19px;white-space:nowrap">Can we all cuddle now?</span></div>
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