<div dir="ltr"><div><div>I see this idea as a great way to create new developers for a growing market, we all know IT market is growing faster than can be covered. </div><div><br></div><div>I'm trying to get an opportunity to relocate me in EU, I'm in South America and one of the things I have far more side to overcome the cultural barrier at the time of recruitment, it is not working the same way in these two different points, a South America programmer needs to learn how to work in UE.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I understand that would be a big plus build a connection between these two points, where you can find excellent resources in south america for Europe helping to implement the learner's curve necessary to overcome these barriers.</div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Najaf Ali <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ali@happybearsoftware.com" target="_blank">ali@happybearsoftware.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">There are lots of different types of client: some want staff augmentation a.k.a. you are for all intents and purposes an employee but we can fire you/you can leave at any time and that's expected[0]. Others just want a solution to a business problem and aren't that fussed about who's at the keyboard doing the implementing. There are plenty of shades of grey in between.<div>
<br></div><div>Recently my clients (while being technical) are tending more towards the latter than the former, and some have said explicitly that as long as I take all responsibility for deliverables then they don't mind who does the work of building the software. That responsibility on my part is a given, and for a more junior hire it means I'm going to be spending a lot of time code reviewing and mentoring (but I'm doing that now anyway, just haphazardly and for basically anyone who asks). I probably wouldn't have attempted to hire an intern unless I'd had that conversation with a few of my clients first.</div>
<div><br></div><div>For me right now I've got more inbound work than I can deliver on my own and I'm confident I could get someone up to speed to do the work after a couple of months, so bringing on an intern seems like the natural next step (though we'll see how that plan works out). I'm not sure how appropriate it would be for a contract role where you're dropped into a project and expected to function as part of an existing dev team.</div>
<div><br></div><div>[0]: Though in practice, in this market this is more like "there are no senior people who want to go permanent, so we'll just hire contractors in perpetuity because we have no choice".</div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Damon Davison <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:damon@allolex.net" target="_blank">damon@allolex.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><span style="color:rgb(160,160,168);font-size:16.5px">On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 at 8:19, Hakan Şenol Ensari wrote:</span></div>
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<div><div dir="ltr">My 2 pence: You could abstract this from your client and simply quote them a higher daily rate if you are convinced you will deliver more in total? Unless client is technical, they could not care less about whether you pair, use a standing desk, or wear sunglasses when working.</div>
</div></blockquote></div><div>This sounds perfectly reasonable to me. You can find a way to make it clear to your client that they get an extra set of hands for much of the coding work. It definitely seems like something that would add value in the eyes of <span style="font-size:16.5px">(nearly) </span><span style="font-size:16.5px">any client.</span></div>
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