<div>
I feel like I should weigh in on this topic as I’m a Junior Developer at GDS.
</div><div><br></div><div>I got offered a part time (hourly paid) internship before finishing Uni back home in Belfast with a local freelancer who had too much work on. I had very little knowledge of Ruby beyond programming concepts, but I had a fair bit of front end knowledge and studied Interactive Design. After 3 months, I joined a small, local agency that we merged with.</div><div><br></div><div>I worked there on various small projects and had a few years under my belt, but applied as a Junior to GDS as my experience with large scale projects was practically nil and I’d spent the last 2 years only picking up one senior dev’s bad habits, rather than multiple ones.</div><div><br></div><div>As far as I can see, a Junior Dev should have decent fraction of the knowledge their non-Junior devs have, but lacking the experience that comes with working on more complicated and larger projects. Pairing helps with that, as does the patience of other developers. Being a Junior at a big organisation, or a Junior working on large scale/audience projects appears to require more knowledge than being a Junior at something like a small agency. </div><div><br></div><div>The job ad specifically mentioned that it would be a good fit for those that have never worked on anything big, so maybe the definition of Junior might be a sliding scale, depending on where you are?</div><div><br></div><div>Tommy</div>
<div><div><br></div><div>-- </div><div>Tommy Palmer</div><div>@tommypalm</div><div><a href="http://tommyp.org/">http://tommyp.org/</a></div><div><br></div></div>
<p style="color: #A0A0A8;">On Wednesday, 21 May 2014 at 16:57, Najaf Ali wrote:</p>
<blockquote type="cite" style="border-left-style:solid;border-width:1px;margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;">
<span><div><div><div dir="ltr">Glad you asked! Quite a few people who've read this email me about how they used it to find them their first job: <a href="http://happybearsoftware.com/kickstart-your-developer-career">http://happybearsoftware.com/kickstart-your-developer-career</a></div>
<div><br><br><div>On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Marc Burt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marc.burt@gmail.com" target="_blank">marc.burt@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Since it's on topic,<br><br></div>I'm one of these new Juniors (London unfortunately Ian) and have just started looking for my first job - I've been self-training for the past 6 months through on-line courses.<br>
<br><br></div><div>Does anyone have advice on what I should be doing to maximise my chances of finding somewhere soon?<br><br><br></div><div><br></div></div><div><div><div><br>
<br><div>On 21 May 2014 16:41, Ian Moss <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hello@ianmoss.com" target="_blank">hello@ianmoss.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><div>Hi,<br>
<br>
I've just started reaching out to 2nd and 3rd year Computer Science /<br>
Software Engineering students in Manchester to get involved with 196<br>
destinations on a contributory / for experience basis. Pleasantly<br>
surprised with getting 5 or so interested, given I've not had much<br>
response from local experienced rubyists, who are happy with their day<br>
rate, rather than taking a big risk on a startup. (Understood).<br>
<br>
If any of your juniors are in the Manchester area and want to get<br>
involved on a similar basis, then it'd be great to hear from them. A<br>
real opportunity to help shape a new company :)<br>
<br>
Front-end developers as well as server-side specialists are needed.<br>
(Ideally with a love of travel, and a team orientated sociable outlook).<br>
<br>
We're an early days startup, with a partnership with several big travel<br>
companies in place. Pre-revenue & pre-investment, but lots of potential,<br>
with the right help.<br>
<span><font color="#888888"><br>
--<br>
Ian Moss<br>
<a href="http://196destinations.com" target="_blank">http://196destinations.com</a> - capturing your travel dreams & helping you<br>
get on the plane!<br>
<a href="http://twitter.com/oceanician" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/oceanician</a> // <a href="http://startupdigest.com/manchester" target="_blank">http://startupdigest.com/manchester</a> //<br>
<a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/alteris" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/in/alteris</a> //<br>
</font></span><div><div><br>
----- Original message -----<br>
From: Thayer Prime <<a href="mailto:thayer@team-prime.com" target="_blank">thayer@team-prime.com</a>><br>
To: London Ruby Users Group <<a href="mailto:chat@lists.lrug.org" target="_blank">chat@lists.lrug.org</a>><br>
Subject: [LRUG] Juniors<br>
Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 14:22:07 +0100<br>
<br>
Hi LRUG<br>
<br>
I often come across juniors in my work (few a month), and almost none<br>
of my clients ever want junior ruby developers, I get like 1-2 junior<br>
roles in a team once or twice a year, sadly. And even then they're<br>
often "juniors" that must have 2 years exp and a PHD and and and ;-)<br>
<br>
If any of you ever do want juniors (and I mean 0-1 years experience<br>
types), drop me a line. If I have any at the time you're welcome to<br>
them free of charge as I'd really like to help more juniors get into<br>
our industry.<br>
<br>
Seems strange that there's so much talk about skills shortages and yet<br>
not many companies seem prepared to train their own. *shrug*<br>
<br>
Thayer<br>
<br>
--<br>
Thayer Prime<br>
--------------------<br>
CEO & Founder<br>
Team Prime Ltd<br>
<a href="http://www.team-prime.com" target="_blank">http://www.team-prime.com</a><br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/thayerprime" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/in/thayerprime</a><br>
<a href="http://www.thayerprime.com" target="_blank">http://www.thayerprime.com</a><br>
@Thayer<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
Chat mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:Chat@lists.lrug.org" target="_blank">Chat@lists.lrug.org</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.lrug.org/listinfo.cgi/chat-lrug.org" target="_blank">http://lists.lrug.org/listinfo.cgi/chat-lrug.org</a><br>
_______________________________________________<br>
Chat mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:Chat@lists.lrug.org" target="_blank">Chat@lists.lrug.org</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.lrug.org/listinfo.cgi/chat-lrug.org" target="_blank">http://lists.lrug.org/listinfo.cgi/chat-lrug.org</a><br>
</div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
</div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
Chat mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:Chat@lists.lrug.org">Chat@lists.lrug.org</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.lrug.org/listinfo.cgi/chat-lrug.org" target="_blank">http://lists.lrug.org/listinfo.cgi/chat-lrug.org</a><br>
<br></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
</div><div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>Chat mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:Chat@lists.lrug.org">Chat@lists.lrug.org</a></div><div><a href="http://lists.lrug.org/listinfo.cgi/chat-lrug.org">http://lists.lrug.org/listinfo.cgi/chat-lrug.org</a></div></div></div></span>
</blockquote>
<div>
<br>
</div>