<html><head></head><body>One of the best project managers I ever worked with used to hold the same view.<br>
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He made a point of only recruiting physics or maths graduates who had picked up programming on the side.<br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 22 May 2014 08:35:15 BST, Sasha Gerrand <<a href="http://chat-lists.lrug.org">chat-lists.lrug.org</a>@sgerrand.com> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<p dir="ltr">On 22 May 2014 08:24, "Paul Robinson" <<a href="mailto:paul@iconoplex.co.uk">paul@iconoplex.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br />
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> On 21 May 2014 21:01, Ed Lepedus <<a href="mailto:ed.lepedus@googlemail.com">ed.lepedus@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:<br />
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>> Firstly, the word 'junior' has been thrown about so much as to be utterly meaningless. The difference between a keen amateur, someone who has a couple of years experience but just 'fell into it', a CS graduate who just scraped a 2:1 and a top-of-class 2nd year undergraduate is HUGE. Yet they all fall into the same category.<br />
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> Actually, it's not just junior that means nothing. I'm guilty of using "senior", but somebody who has spent 7 years working for agencies developing microsites for TV production companies (surprisingly common in some parts of the industry), has had a completely different experience to somebody who spent 7 years as a quant developer for Goldman Sachs. They might understand advanced topics as thoroughly as each other, but putting them into a real world production project, you will quickly identify very different strengths and weaknesses.<br />
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> One of the best programmers I've worked with has been under 20, never set foot in a University and entirely self-taught. One of the worst had a PhD in CS, 10+ years experience and was very well-read professionally. </p>
<p dir="ltr">There's a great quote about the intersection between good programmers and good computer scientists being extremely small. I further the source so apologies for a lack of attribution.</p>
<p dir="ltr">-Sasha</p>
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