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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 12:38:04 +0100<br>
From: Jay Greasley <<a href="mailto:jaygreasley@gmail.com">jaygreasley@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Hello all,<br>
<br>
I'm a bit of a dinosaur, having started with COBOL through Visual Basic 3,<br>
classic asp and then onto the <a href="http://asp.net" target="_blank">asp.net</a> stack.<br>
But, I'm really interested in moving over to using Ruby.<br>
I supported an old Rails 2.3 app a couple of years ago and liked the syntax<br>
and flexibilty.<br>
I have a new work opportunity where Ruby appears to be a good candidate for<br>
the product.<br>
Has anyone else made a similar move?<br>
My main question is what one book would you recommend to start with.<br>
Is it the Pickaxe book?<br>
I'm sure it'll take a while to change mindset to appreciate metaprogramming<br>
etc.<br>
<br>
All responses are much appreciated<br>
<br>
Best<br>
<br>
Jay<br>
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 12:42:25 +0100<br>
From: nicolas alpi <<a href="mailto:nicolas.alpi@gmail.com">nicolas.alpi@gmail.com</a>><br>
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I haven't read the book, but judging by the quality of Justin blog, I would<br>
probably recommend Practicing Rails.<br>
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<a href="https://www.justinweiss.com/practicing-rails/" target="_blank">https://www.justinweiss.com/practicing-rails/</a><br>
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Also, Pragprog has a good collection of reference books<br>
<a href="https://pragprog.com/search?q=rails" target="_blank">https://pragprog.com/search?q=rails</a><br>
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On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Jay Greasley <<a href="mailto:jaygreasley@gmail.com">jaygreasley@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Hello all,<br>
><br>
> I'm a bit of a dinosaur, having started with COBOL through Visual Basic 3,<br>
> classic asp and then onto the <a href="http://asp.net" target="_blank">asp.net</a> stack.<br>
> But, I'm really interested in moving over to using Ruby.<br>
> I supported an old Rails 2.3 app a couple of years ago and liked the<br>
> syntax and flexibilty.<br>
> I have a new work opportunity where Ruby appears to be a good candidate<br>
> for the product.<br>
> Has anyone else made a similar move?<br>
> My main question is what one book would you recommend to start with.<br>
> Is it the Pickaxe book?<br>
> I'm sure it'll take a while to change mindset to appreciate<br>
> metaprogramming etc.<br>
><br>
> All responses are much appreciated<br>
><br>
> Best<br>
><br>
> Jay<br>
><br>
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2015 12:48:30 +0100<br>
From: James McCarthy <<a href="mailto:james@lety.co">james@lety.co</a>><br>
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Keep in mind that Rails is not Ruby, a lot of people know how to use<br>
rails but cannot really do anything else using Ruby.<br>
<br>
Rails is a great framework for what it does (webapp), have a look at<br>
other types of tasks (system administration scripts is something Ruby<br>
has taken over from Perl a little).<br>
<br>
James.<br>
<br>
On 02/06/15 12:38, Jay Greasley wrote:<br>
> Hello all,<br>
><br>
> I'm a bit of a dinosaur, having started with COBOL through Visual<br>
> Basic 3, classic asp and then onto the <a href="http://asp.net" target="_blank">asp.net</a> <<a href="http://asp.net" target="_blank">http://asp.net</a>> stack.<br>
> But, I'm really interested in moving over to using Ruby.<br>
> I supported an old Rails 2.3 app a couple of years ago and liked the<br>
> syntax and flexibilty.<br>
> I have a new work opportunity where Ruby appears to be a good<br>
> candidate for the product.<br>
> Has anyone else made a similar move?<br>
> My main question is what one book would you recommend to start with.<br>
> Is it the Pickaxe book?<br>
> I'm sure it'll take a while to change mindset to appreciate<br>
> metaprogramming etc.<br>
><br>
> All responses are much appreciated<br>
><br>
> Best<br>
><br>
> Jay<br>
><br>
><br>
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 12:52:41 +0100<br>
From: Najaf Ali <<a href="mailto:ali@happybearsoftware.com">ali@happybearsoftware.com</a>><br>
To: London Ruby Users Group <<a href="mailto:chat@lists.lrug.org">chat@lists.lrug.org</a>><br>
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For experienced programmers (and beginners as well in some cases) my usual<br>
recommendation is The Well-Grounded Rubyist by David A. Black.<br>
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-Ali<br>
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On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 12:48 PM, James McCarthy <<a href="mailto:james@lety.co">james@lety.co</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Keep in mind that Rails is not Ruby, a lot of people know how to use<br>
> rails but cannot really do anything else using Ruby.<br>
><br>
> Rails is a great framework for what it does (webapp), have a look at other<br>
> types of tasks (system administration scripts is something Ruby has taken<br>
> over from Perl a little).<br>
><br>
> James.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 02/06/15 12:38, Jay Greasley wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hello all,<br>
><br>
> I'm a bit of a dinosaur, having started with COBOL through Visual Basic<br>
> 3, classic asp and then onto the <a href="http://asp.net" target="_blank">asp.net</a> stack.<br>
> But, I'm really interested in moving over to using Ruby.<br>
> I supported an old Rails 2.3 app a couple of years ago and liked the<br>
> syntax and flexibilty.<br>
> I have a new work opportunity where Ruby appears to be a good candidate<br>
> for the product.<br>
> Has anyone else made a similar move?<br>
> My main question is what one book would you recommend to start with.<br>
> Is it the Pickaxe book?<br>
> I'm sure it'll take a while to change mindset to appreciate<br>
> metaprogramming etc.<br>
><br>
> All responses are much appreciated<br>
><br>
> Best<br>
><br>
> Jay<br>
><br>
><br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
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><br>
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 12:52:52 +0100<br>
From: Jay Greasley <<a href="mailto:jay@firecomputing.co.uk">jay@firecomputing.co.uk</a>><br>
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Hi James,<br>
<br>
Thanks. I'm keen to understand Ruby first. I know my way round the mvc<br>
pattern, if not the Rails specifics. At this stage I don't know if Rails is<br>
overkill for the project so am aware of keeping a very open mind.<br>
<br>
Best<br>
<br>
Jay<br>
<br>
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 12:48 PM, James McCarthy <<a href="mailto:james@lety.co">james@lety.co</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Keep in mind that Rails is not Ruby, a lot of people know how to use<br>
> rails but cannot really do anything else using Ruby.<br>
><br>
> Rails is a great framework for what it does (webapp), have a look at other<br>
> types of tasks (system administration scripts is something Ruby has taken<br>
> over from Perl a little).<br>
><br>
> James.<br>
><br>
> On 02/06/15 12:38, Jay Greasley wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hello all,<br>
><br>
> I'm a bit of a dinosaur, having started with COBOL through Visual Basic<br>
> 3, classic asp and then onto the <a href="http://asp.net" target="_blank">asp.net</a> stack.<br>
> But, I'm really interested in moving over to using Ruby.<br>
> I supported an old Rails 2.3 app a couple of years ago and liked the<br>
> syntax and flexibilty.<br>
> I have a new work opportunity where Ruby appears to be a good candidate<br>
> for the product.<br>
> Has anyone else made a similar move?<br>
> My main question is what one book would you recommend to start with.<br>
> Is it the Pickaxe book?<br>
> I'm sure it'll take a while to change mindset to appreciate<br>
> metaprogramming etc.<br>
><br>
> All responses are much appreciated<br>
><br>
> Best<br>
><br>
> Jay<br>
><br>
><br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
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> --<br>
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><br>
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><br>
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><br>
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 13:04:26 +0100<br>
From: David Burrows <<a href="mailto:david@designsuperbuild.com">david@designsuperbuild.com</a>><br>
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+1 for The Well Grounded Rubyist<br>
<br>
--<br>
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On 2 June 2015 at 12:52, Jay Greasley <<a href="mailto:jay@firecomputing.co.uk">jay@firecomputing.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Hi James,<br>
><br>
> Thanks. I'm keen to understand Ruby first. I know my way round the mvc<br>
> pattern, if not the Rails specifics. At this stage I don't know if Rails is<br>
> overkill for the project so am aware of keeping a very open mind.<br>
><br>
> Best<br>
><br>
> Jay<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 12:48 PM, James McCarthy <<a href="mailto:james@lety.co">james@lety.co</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Keep in mind that Rails is not Ruby, a lot of people know how to use<br>
>> rails but cannot really do anything else using Ruby.<br>
>><br>
>> Rails is a great framework for what it does (webapp), have a look at<br>
>> other types of tasks (system administration scripts is something Ruby has<br>
>> taken over from Perl a little).<br>
>><br>
>> James.<br>
>><br>
>> On 02/06/15 12:38, Jay Greasley wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hello all,<br>
>><br>
>> I'm a bit of a dinosaur, having started with COBOL through Visual Basic<br>
>> 3, classic asp and then onto the <a href="http://asp.net" target="_blank">asp.net</a> stack.<br>
>> But, I'm really interested in moving over to using Ruby.<br>
>> I supported an old Rails 2.3 app a couple of years ago and liked the<br>
>> syntax and flexibilty.<br>
>> I have a new work opportunity where Ruby appears to be a good candidate<br>
>> for the product.<br>
>> Has anyone else made a similar move?<br>
>> My main question is what one book would you recommend to start with.<br>
>> Is it the Pickaxe book?<br>
>> I'm sure it'll take a while to change mindset to appreciate<br>
>> metaprogramming etc.<br>
>><br>
>> All responses are much appreciated<br>
>><br>
>> Best<br>
>><br>
>> Jay<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> _______________________________________________<br>
>> Chat mailing <a href="mailto:listChat@lists.lrug.org">listChat@lists.lrug.org</a><br>
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>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> James McCarthy<br>
>><br>
>> Software Consultant<br>
>><br>
>> LetyCo<br>
>><br>
>> Mob: 07577006897<br>
>><br>
>> Email: <a href="mailto:james@lety.co">james@lety.co</a><br>
>> <a href="http://lety.co" target="_blank">lety.co</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 13:07:01 +0100<br>
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Hi Jay,<br>
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I came from a similar route plus 370 Assembler, C, Delphi, Pascal, etc. I then worked for several years as a DBA too. The best option I found to get back into development was to use a bootcamp. The one I decided on was WeGotCoders (<a href="http://wegotcoders.com/" target="_blank">http://wegotcoders.com/</a> <<a href="http://wegotcoders.com/" target="_blank">http://wegotcoders.com/</a>>). They went through everything from HTML and the DOM, through javascript and frameworks, right into writing Rails apps (and even Gems). They then also placed me with a client. This did mean that I dropped back to junior level, but am loving the change!<br>
<br>
If you want to go the self-study route I would recommend learning Ruby before you tackle Rails and full stack development. Getting to know a javascript framework would also be a good idea. To this end there are a lot of courses available. I used Lynda (<a href="http://www.lynda.com" target="_blank">http://www.lynda.com</a> <<a href="http://www.lynda.com/" target="_blank">http://www.lynda.com/</a>>) and others that I just googled for. I then also found a really good SAAS MOOC course on EdX through UC Berkley (<a href="https://www.edx.org/course/engineering-software-service-uc-berkeleyx-cs169-1x" target="_blank">https://www.edx.org/course/engineering-software-service-uc-berkeleyx-cs169-1x</a> <<a href="https://www.edx.org/course/engineering-software-service-uc-berkeleyx-cs169-1x" target="_blank">https://www.edx.org/course/engineering-software-service-uc-berkeleyx-cs169-1x</a>> and the follow on of cs169.2). Maybe diving into the more intense books after the basics would make more sense. It did for me.<br>
<br>
Good luck!<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
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> On 2 Jun 2015, at 12:38, Jay Greasley <<a href="mailto:jaygreasley@gmail.com">jaygreasley@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hello all,<br>
><br>
> I'm a bit of a dinosaur, having started with COBOL through Visual Basic 3, classic asp and then onto the <a href="http://asp.net" target="_blank">asp.net</a> <<a href="http://asp.net/" target="_blank">http://asp.net/</a>> stack.<br>
> But, I'm really interested in moving over to using Ruby.<br>
> I supported an old Rails 2.3 app a couple of years ago and liked the syntax and flexibilty.<br>
> I have a new work opportunity where Ruby appears to be a good candidate for the product.<br>
> Has anyone else made a similar move?<br>
> My main question is what one book would you recommend to start with.<br>
> Is it the Pickaxe book?<br>
> I'm sure it'll take a while to change mindset to appreciate metaprogramming etc.<br>
><br>
> All responses are much appreciated<br>
><br>
> Best<br>
><br>
> Jay<br>
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 14:17:25 +0200<br>
From: Lucas Mbiwe <<a href="mailto:lucas@geek4good.com">lucas@geek4good.com</a>><br>
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Hi Jay,<br>
<br>
Welcome to the community!<br>
<br>
On 2 June 2015 at 13:53:18, Jay Greasley (<a href="mailto:jay@firecomputing.co.uk">jay@firecomputing.co.uk</a>) wrote:<br>
Thanks. I'm keen to understand Ruby first. I know my way round the mvc pattern, if not the Rails specifics. At this stage I don't know if Rails is overkill for the project so am aware of keeping a very open mind.<br>
I've heard good things about The Well-Grounded Rubyist. So I'm sure picking up a copy of it wouldn't be a mistake.<br>
<br>
I personally prefer Eloquent Ruby by Russ Olson, as it covers all the language specifics with a strong focus on idioms (?Write Code That Looks Like Ruby?). It even covers metaprogramming and touches on building gems (a bit outdated but the basics still apply).<br>
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Hi,<br>
<br>
if you have experience with programming languages and want a good overview of the ideas behind the language, "The Ruby Programming Language" by Flanagan & Matsumoto is the definitive source. It documents Ruby 1.9, but the language is still by and large the same.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Florian<br>
<br>
On 02 Jun 2015, at 13:38, Jay Greasley <<a href="mailto:jaygreasley@gmail.com">jaygreasley@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Hello all,<br>
><br>
> I'm a bit of a dinosaur, having started with COBOL through Visual Basic 3, classic asp and then onto the <a href="http://asp.net" target="_blank">asp.net</a> stack.<br>
> But, I'm really interested in moving over to using Ruby.<br>
> I supported an old Rails 2.3 app a couple of years ago and liked the syntax and flexibilty.<br>
> I have a new work opportunity where Ruby appears to be a good candidate for the product.<br>
> Has anyone else made a similar move?<br>
> My main question is what one book would you recommend to start with.<br>
> Is it the Pickaxe book?<br>
> I'm sure it'll take a while to change mindset to appreciate metaprogramming etc.<br>
><br>
> All responses are much appreciated<br>
><br>
> Best<br>
><br>
> Jay<br>
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 13:42:06 +0100<br>
From: Max Williams <<a href="mailto:toastkid.williams@gmail.com">toastkid.williams@gmail.com</a>><br>
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After reading about the core Ruby language, The Ruby Cookbook is a great<br>
way to expand your understanding of how to *use* Ruby.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cookbook-Cookbooks-OReilly-Lucas-Carlson/dp/0596523696" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cookbook-Cookbooks-OReilly-Lucas-Carlson/dp/0596523696</a><br>
<br>
On 2 June 2015 at 13:36, Florian Gilcher <<a href="mailto:flo@andersground.net">flo@andersground.net</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> if you have experience with programming languages and want a good overview<br>
> of the ideas behind the language, "The Ruby Programming Language" by<br>
> Flanagan & Matsumoto is the definitive source. It documents Ruby 1.9, but<br>
> the language is still by and large the same.<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
> Florian<br>
><br>
> On 02 Jun 2015, at 13:38, Jay Greasley <<a href="mailto:jaygreasley@gmail.com">jaygreasley@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hello all,<br>
><br>
> I'm a bit of a dinosaur, having started with COBOL through Visual Basic 3,<br>
> classic asp and then onto the <a href="http://asp.net" target="_blank">asp.net</a> stack.<br>
> But, I'm really interested in moving over to using Ruby.<br>
> I supported an old Rails 2.3 app a couple of years ago and liked the<br>
> syntax and flexibilty.<br>
> I have a new work opportunity where Ruby appears to be a good candidate<br>
> for the product.<br>
> Has anyone else made a similar move?<br>
> My main question is what one book would you recommend to start with.<br>
> Is it the Pickaxe book?<br>
> I'm sure it'll take a while to change mindset to appreciate<br>
> metaprogramming etc.<br>
><br>
> All responses are much appreciated<br>
><br>
> Best<br>
><br>
> Jay<br>
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 14:03:19 +0100<br>
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+1 for Eloquent Ruby<br>
<br>
On 2 June 2015 at 13:42, Max Williams <<a href="mailto:toastkid.williams@gmail.com">toastkid.williams@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> After reading about the core Ruby language, The Ruby Cookbook is a great<br>
> way to expand your understanding of how to *use* Ruby.<br>
><br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cookbook-Cookbooks-OReilly-Lucas-Carlson/dp/0596523696" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cookbook-Cookbooks-OReilly-Lucas-Carlson/dp/0596523696</a><br>
><br>
> On 2 June 2015 at 13:36, Florian Gilcher <<a href="mailto:flo@andersground.net">flo@andersground.net</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Hi,<br>
>><br>
>> if you have experience with programming languages and want a good<br>
>> overview of the ideas behind the language, "The Ruby Programming Language"<br>
>> by Flanagan & Matsumoto is the definitive source. It documents Ruby 1.9,<br>
>> but the language is still by and large the same.<br>
>><br>
>> Best,<br>
>> Florian<br>
>><br>
>> On 02 Jun 2015, at 13:38, Jay Greasley <<a href="mailto:jaygreasley@gmail.com">jaygreasley@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hello all,<br>
>><br>
>> I'm a bit of a dinosaur, having started with COBOL through Visual Basic<br>
>> 3, classic asp and then onto the <a href="http://asp.net" target="_blank">asp.net</a> stack.<br>
>> But, I'm really interested in moving over to using Ruby.<br>
>> I supported an old Rails 2.3 app a couple of years ago and liked the<br>
>> syntax and flexibilty.<br>
>> I have a new work opportunity where Ruby appears to be a good candidate<br>
>> for the product.<br>
>> Has anyone else made a similar move?<br>
>> My main question is what one book would you recommend to start with.<br>
>> Is it the Pickaxe book?<br>
>> I'm sure it'll take a while to change mindset to appreciate<br>
>> metaprogramming etc.<br>
>><br>
>> All responses are much appreciated<br>
>><br>
>> Best<br>
>><br>
>> Jay<br>
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 14:11:37 +0100<br>
From: Ed Davey <<a href="mailto:ed@veryreal.co.uk">ed@veryreal.co.uk</a>><br>
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+1 for The Ruby Cookbook<br>
<br>
I also learnt a lot of useful Ruby from James Edward Gray II's "Best of Ruby Quiz", out of print but cheap 2nd hand (<a href="http://goo.gl/oUBrk4" target="_blank">http://goo.gl/oUBrk4</a>)<br>
<br>
Ed<br>
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> On 2 Jun 2015, at 14:03, Andrew Premdas <<a href="mailto:apremdas@gmail.com">apremdas@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> +1 for Eloquent Ruby<br>
><br>
> On 2 June 2015 at 13:42, Max Williams <<a href="mailto:toastkid.williams@gmail.com">toastkid.williams@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> After reading about the core Ruby language, The Ruby Cookbook is a great way to expand your understanding of how to use Ruby.<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cookbook-Cookbooks-OReilly-Lucas-Carlson/dp/0596523696" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cookbook-Cookbooks-OReilly-Lucas-Carlson/dp/0596523696</a><br>
><br>
> On 2 June 2015 at 13:36, Florian Gilcher <<a href="mailto:flo@andersground.net">flo@andersground.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> if you have experience with programming languages and want a good overview of the ideas behind the language, "The Ruby Programming Language" by Flanagan & Matsumoto is the definitive source. It documents Ruby 1.9, but the language is still by and large the same.<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
> Florian<br>
><br>
> On 02 Jun 2015, at 13:38, Jay Greasley <<a href="mailto:jaygreasley@gmail.com">jaygreasley@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Hello all,<br>
>><br>
>> I'm a bit of a dinosaur, having started with COBOL through Visual Basic 3, classic asp and then onto the <a href="http://asp.net" target="_blank">asp.net</a> stack.<br>
>> But, I'm really interested in moving over to using Ruby.<br>
>> I supported an old Rails 2.3 app a couple of years ago and liked the syntax and flexibilty.<br>
>> I have a new work opportunity where Ruby appears to be a good candidate for the product.<br>
>> Has anyone else made a similar move?<br>
>> My main question is what one book would you recommend to start with.<br>
>> Is it the Pickaxe book?<br>
>> I'm sure it'll take a while to change mindset to appreciate metaprogramming etc.<br>
>><br>
>> All responses are much appreciated<br>
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 08:21:37 -0700<br>
From: Sam Livingston-Gray <<a href="mailto:geeksam@gmail.com">geeksam@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [LRUG] Converting from the dark side<br>
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+1. Eloquent Ruby is one of the few tech books I've read cover to cover and enjoyed all the way through. It's a screencast, not a book, but you might also find Ruby Tapas useful for picking up Ruby idioms.<br>
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> On Jun 2, 2015, at 5:17 AM, Lucas Mbiwe <<a href="mailto:lucas@geek4good.com">lucas@geek4good.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> On 2 June 2015 at 13:53:18, Jay Greasley (<a href="mailto:jay@firecomputing.co.uk">jay@firecomputing.co.uk</a>) wrote:<br>
>> Thanks. I'm keen to understand Ruby first. I know my way round the mvc pattern, if not the Rails specifics. At this stage I don't know if Rails is overkill for the project so am aware of keeping a very open mind.<br>
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> I've heard good things about The Well-Grounded Rubyist. So I'm sure picking up a copy of it wouldn't be a mistake.<br>
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> I personally prefer Eloquent Ruby by Russ Olson, as it covers all the language specifics with a strong focus on idioms (?Write Code That Looks Like Ruby?). It even covers metaprogramming and touches on building gems (a bit outdated but the basics still apply).<br>
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