<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Apologies for reviving an old thread. Cleaning my inbox and coming across lots of unread goodies.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Here's a relevant and fun quiz: <span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><a href="http://railshurts.com/quiz/">http://railshurts.com/quiz/</a>.</span> It's not always obvious when you're using Rails or just plain old Ruby.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 6 July 2016 at 19:43, Nicholas Johnson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:me@nicholasjohnson.com" target="_blank">me@nicholasjohnson.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi Steve, Nothing wrong with SO, but I see a lot of people using it as their first recourse without trying first to solve the problem themselves. In the long term, they don't learn, they get left behind, and it becomes a trap that's hard to escape from because they are expected to be able to do more than they ever learned how to do. They spend the rest of their career hiding their lack of skill. It's a real thing, and very sad to see.<div><br></div><div>If I need a canonical solution to something though, SO is definitely part of my toolkit.</div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 6 July 2016 at 16:58, Steve <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:steve.laing@gmail.com" target="_blank">steve.laing@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I think it's commonplace to copy and paste from Stack Overflow and there are many valid reasons to do so. For example, to avoid wasting time reinventing the wheel on a common problem. I'd say we're all copy and paste programmers at some point in the day or at least in our careers.<div>It's also common to start out working with Rails rather than purely with Ruby, that's no bad thing, if you know enough to get the work you can progress to learning the underlying language.</div><div>A while ago people would know the Java API by heart, taking Sun Certification (TM) exams to prove it, it didn't automatically make them great Spring developers.</div><div>My point being we often start out learning the most practical thing to get us work.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="m_4727663052738543506h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 6 July 2016 at 16:14, Nicholas Johnson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:me@nicholasjohnson.com" target="_blank">me@nicholasjohnson.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Two words - Stack Overflow. When someone is a copy-paste programmer, they can get quite a lot done quite quickly, and come over as proficient to the untrained managerial eye, but if anything unexpected happens they will be lost. I sometimes work with quite old programmers who have been copy-pasters all their lives and are terrified someone will find out. It's actually quite horrible for them.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 6 July 2016 at 12:36, gvim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gvimrc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gvimrc@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I hear of this a lot - the Rails dev who hardly knows Ruby and I'm left scratching my head. How on earth can anyone become proficient in a complex framework like Rails without understanding the language it's written in?<br>
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Someone please enlighten me.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
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gvim<br>
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