<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 17 Aug 2020, at 16:29, Edmond Lepedus <<a href="mailto:ed.lepedus@googlemail.com" class="">ed.lepedus@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">I’ve been asked questions like “Isn’t Rails abandonware now?”, been pointed to StackOverflow’s developer survey (<a href="https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-most-loved-dreaded-and-wanted-other-frameworks-libraries-and-tools-loved3" class="">https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-most-loved-dreaded-and-wanted-other-frameworks-libraries-and-tools-loved3</a>) as ‘evidence’ for NodeJS’s superiority and been told that “the majority of Rails consultants make their money on migrating people to other platforms”. </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>It seems unfathomable to me that more than half (57%) of the people currently working with Ruby would actively choose to _not_ work with Ruby on their next project. And labelling that as “dreaded” seems like a gross editorialisation. In summary, I think that survey is froth. But anyway...</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">My current team would benefit hugely from Rails. It would do wonders for everything from code quality and productivity to documentation and our ability to hire and onboard new developers, but I fear that we will once again default to NodeJS and miss out on most of those benefits. </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>I was going to say that the only legitimate reason I can imagine a client might rationally care about framework choice is the availability and cost of developers, but based on what you wrote above, it sounds like there isn’t a compelling NodeJS angle there either… or is there? Extremely anecdotally I think a good number of bootcamps are teaching javascript/react now, so maybe the clients are considering that?</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">How do you sell Rails in a compelling way?</div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div>I’d be interested in seeing this flipped — can they sell you on NodeJS, beyond pointing at essentially-meaningless sentiment surveys? Have the people you’re trying to convince used Rails and had problems with it? I think the pitches supporting NodeJS will reveal a lot about the inherent bias you might be dealing with, and might lead to some ideas about how to circumvent them (and whether or not it’s worth trying).</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div></body></html>