<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Interesting topic.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Ed > it’s not entirely clear from your original message <i class=""><b class="">who</b></i> exactly it is that you’re selling Rails to - is it the dev/tech team or the business? </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In my experience selling Rails to the business has always been the much easier sell, with the only reassurance required being the availability (and cost!) of developers. However, trying to sell Rails to a team of developers is likely to be extremely difficult in most cases. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It’s probably also worth thinking about whether it’s difficult because "Rails is Rails", or whether it’s difficult because "Rails is different-to-what-is-already-being-used”. Any tech team worth its salt will know that moving to any other tech stack is a big commitment which will likely have an early adjustment period of bewilderment and steep learning curves, resulting in reluctance/resistance to change.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hope that helps.</div><div class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 17 Aug 2020, at 16:29, Edmond Lepedus <<a href="mailto:ed.lepedus@googlemail.com" class="">ed.lepedus@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi LRUG,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Once again I’ve recommended Rails for a project, and once again, I’ve found it a really hard sell, and I suspect the decision will be to use NodeJS instead. It seems that outside of the Rails community, most devs have a pretty poor opinion or just lack of visibility into the awesomeness of Rails. I’ve been asked questions like “Isn’t Rails abandonware now?”, been pointed to StackOverflow’s developer survey (<a href="https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-most-loved-dreaded-and-wanted-other-frameworks-libraries-and-tools-loved3" class="">https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-most-loved-dreaded-and-wanted-other-frameworks-libraries-and-tools-loved3</a>) as ‘evidence’ for NodeJS’s superiority and been told that “the majority of Rails consultants make their money on migrating people to other platforms”. This is not a new thing. I’ve been recommending Rails for web projects for nearly 7 years, both as an employee and as a consultant, with zero success. And before you think it’s just my credibility, I’ve not had any issues when recommending, WordPress, NextJS, Kubernetes, Ansible etc. It’s just Rails.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My current team would benefit hugely from Rails. It would do wonders for everything from code quality and productivity to documentation and our ability to hire and onboard new developers, but I fear that we will once again default to NodeJS and miss out on most of those benefits. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The weird thing is that we use and love systems written in Rails, such as GitLab, and have enthusiastically committed to migrating our forums to Discourse, but the halo effect from those projects doesn’t seem to be affecting perceptions of Rails itself.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">How do you sell Rails in a compelling way?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks,</div><div class="">Ed</div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">Chat mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Chat@lists.lrug.org" class="">Chat@lists.lrug.org</a><br class="">Archives: http://lists.lrug.org/pipermail/chat-lrug.org<br class="">Manage your subscription: http://lists.lrug.org/options.cgi/chat-lrug.org<br class="">List info: http://lists.lrug.org/listinfo.cgi/chat-lrug.org<br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>