<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"/></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">That’s very interesting indeed Nick,</div><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br/></div><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">I’m assuming that’s a fairly small subset of responses you have had from this thread or conflating inside / outside roles perhaps?</div><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br/></div><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">From my experience what is being offered around on jobs sites as the going contract rate is often lower than what can be found through good networks but I don’t see many contracts at all going near the 750 you mention and often closer to £600. (I’m not saying you’re wrong that’s just been my experience which I’ve been doing more in the DevOps space so may be out of touch!) In fact I’ve been noticing a decline in rates for ruby in recent years. </div><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br/></div><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">I agree with your sentiments of sometimes a little sharing is good so people know what they are worth. I’m taking £625 at my current gig. </div><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br/></div><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">I think the market in general appears to be struggling at the moment but I wonder if people would be willing to share how they are finding these 600+ roles? Are these just inside gigs? Are you all just mega experienced super senior principal level roles? My assumption is that mostly I have gone through jobs boards or larger consulting firms to get gigs which obviously likely comes with a cut of the top for said firms / recruiters. Are people finding these higher paying gigs via their networks / direct contracts without intermediaries?</div><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br/></div><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">I take these sites with a pinch of salt but itjobswatch.co.uk reckons the median is £550 and with 75th percentile at £688 and 90th percentile at £700. </div><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br/></div><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Im also remote only so that impacts in that I end up with a more limited set of contracts but I find the rates dont change much just the prevalence of roles.</div><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br/></div><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br/></div><div><br/><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 1 Feb 2025, at 09:58, Toby Privett <toby@snaplab.co.uk> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"/><div><div dir="auto">My freelance rate - 500/day - hasn’t changed in years. Might go some way to explaining why I have so much work on. </div><div dir="auto"><br/></div><div dir="auto"><br/><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 at 08:46, Najaf Ali <<a href="mailto:ali.najaf@gmail.com">ali.najaf@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br/></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Would definitely be interested in hearing peoples experiences and thoughts on this. I sometimes feel like my entire programming career was a ZIRP. Quite enjoying my life as a Japanese salaryman these days though.</div><br/><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Feb 1, 2025 at 5:10 PM Patrick Gleeson <<a href="mailto:patrick.c.gleeson@gmail.com" target="_blank">patrick.c.gleeson@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br/></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Leaning in to this, I'd love to get a feel for what the Ruby contractor market is like at the moment. My last contracting gig (which was also my first contracting gig), was a couple of years on £700/day (but inside IR35 so the headline figure is a bit misleading). I'd love to hear what the range of going rates is at the moment (to be clear, I've got my next thing lined up so this is purely curiosity on my part combined with the general belief that breaking the taboo of discussing compensation is occasionally healthy).<div><br/></div><div>Patrick</div><div><a href="https://patrickgleeson.com/" target="_blank">I don't know what I'm doing, I just make it up as I go along</a></div></div><div dir="auto"><div><br/><br/><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 31 Jan 2025, 11:13 James Darling, <<a href="mailto:james@abscond.org" target="_blank">james@abscond.org</a>> wrote:<br/></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Whoops, that's embarrassing. 😭</div><br/><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 at 10:38, James Darling <<a href="mailto:james@abscond.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">james@abscond.org</a>> wrote:<br/></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi Nick,<div><br/></div><div>I don't think we've met (embarrassing if we have!) but I've been an LRUGer for about 20 years.</div><div><br/></div><div>This sounds interesting to me, and something I'd definitely be able to help with! Nice to see a project with no React. I live in Leyton and love meeting up, so location is great. I once integrated the dutch payment system iDEAL for a startup via Stripe's API that I believe is still running.</div><div><br/></div><div>Here's my <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/abscond/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a>, <a href="https://github.com/james" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">GitHub</a> and <a href="https://abscond.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">website</a>. I'm currently on £850/day.</div><div><br/></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>James</div></div><br/><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 27 Jan 2025 at 19:21, Nick Tabernacle <<a href="mailto:nick@beo.so" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">nick@beo.so</a>> wrote:<br/></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Hi LRUG, <div><br/></div><div>As a RoR contractor I've been on the other side of these emails for many years, so it’s nice to be 'giving back' with some contract opportunities directly to this group.</div><div><br/></div><div>I’m looking for a Rails contractor for a two month internal MVP build, likely extended to six months. The client is a multinational non-profit.</div><div><br/></div><div>Ideal experience:</div><div><br/></div><div><ul><li>Rails 7 (and all the obvious things it includes)</li><li>>10 years on Rails to a Senior level</li><li>Can provide examples of full stack work</li><li>Hotwire (more experience the better)</li><li>TailwindCSS</li><li>Stripe payments</li><li>API integration</li><li>CI/CD on Azure (essential) </li><li>Any Azure knowledge/certificates welcome</li><li>Comfortable with the enterprise onboarding process</li><li>Remote but will need 2 days a month at our office in Liverpool Street talking around a whiteboard most likely. </li></ul><div><br/></div></div><div>I’m also looking for someone interested in using AI to improve productivity and share their metrics, for good or bad.</div><div><br/></div><div>Please let me know your desired rate, Linked In || YouTube || Github.</div><div><br/></div><div><b>No recruiters or recruiting companies please. </b></div><div><br/></div><div>Thanks LRUG :) </div><div><br/><div>
<div>Nick Tabernacle</div><div><a href="mailto:nick@beo.so" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">nick@beo.so</a></div><div><br/></div><br/>
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