<div dir="ltr"><div>It seems clear to me that when Jon said "The main ruby discord has a jobs channel..." and Ian asked "There's a main ruby discord???". The discord that Jon was referring to, and thus that Ian wanted the link to, was the discord linked from <a href="https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/">https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/</a> (e.g. <a href="https://discord.gg/ad2acQFtkh">https://discord.gg/ad2acQFtkh</a> )<br></div><div><br></div><div>That doesn't mean there's no reason to bring up the other ruby discord that Greg mentioned, but it's, at best, disingenuous not to mention it wasn't the one Jon was referring to, which is what Chris and Matthew reacted to.</div><div><br></div><div>It seems that both Greg and Matthew agree that this other discord was started by people who were banned from the one linked to from <a href="http://ruby-lang.org">ruby-lang.org</a>. I can't find a public write-up of moderation decisions to verify either side of the story of _why_ some people were banned. There are plenty of "X was banned because ..." statements with plenty of "oh but that's not true..." statements, but there are no receipts from either side that I can find, and, TBH, I wouldn't really expect to find such statements as they mostly invite "well, actually..." rules lawyering.</div><div><br></div><div>While both discords do exist for rubyists to discuss ruby in, one is linked to from <a href="http://ruby-lang.org">ruby-lang.org</a> and the other isn't, so regardless of anything else one of them can more reasonably claim to be the "main" ruby discord.</div><div><br></div><div>I don't really think this mailing list is the place to litigate why people were banned from one discord or what motivated them to start an alternative, so let's focus on discussing whether or not the job market in general is a ghost town, or just the ruby job market.</div><div><br></div><div>---</div><div><br></div><div>So, putting my money where my mouth is: as someone who recently moved jobs I don't think it's a ghost town, but it was a more challenging job hunt than I've faced previously. I do hope you all came to our Feb meeting and saw Jade's excellent talk on how to navigate the job hunt!</div><div><br></div><div>Anecdotally it feels like there are fewer small orgs trying new product ideas in ruby, but about the same number of larger orgs hoovering up any and all rubyists they can find. The actual large orgs change every so often, but there's always roughly the same number, which is promising ... for now. The reduction in smaller orgs using ruby feels to me like it's gonna make the market for rubyists tougher in the next cycle (say 5 years out) though: the current crop of large orgs will die off or go polyglot microservices to deal with demand for talent, but won't _all_ be replaced by the "winners" of the current crop of smaller orgs becoming large (on pure numbers there aren't enough for this funnel to work).</div><div><br></div><div>But maybe, as others have mentioned here and elsewhere, ruby will become the defacto language of the AI coder because it's the easiest to read, and we'll need that to deal with the hyper-inflated klocs of code the agents produce. 🤷</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>Murray</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 at 22:16, Greg Molnar via Chat <<a href="mailto:chat@lists.lrug.org">chat@lists.lrug.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u><div><div>This is not true. It was started because they banned a lot of people who stood up for DHH when the mods of that Discord started Plan Vert to remove DHH from Rails Core.</div><div>But feel free to avoid or join either one, just don't spread false information please. </div><div><br></div><div>On Tue, Mar 3, 2026, at 4:52 PM, eightbitraptor via Chat wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite" id="m_2977649847461936559qt"><div dir="auto"><div>This is a discord that was started by some folks who were banned from the official ruby discord for code of conduct violations. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Personally I'd avoid. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://github.com/ruby/www.ruby-lang.org/pull/3639" target="_blank">https://github.com/ruby/www.ruby-lang.org/pull/3639</a></div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Matthew Valentine-House</div><div><a href="http://eightbitraptor.com" target="_blank">http://eightbitraptor.com</a></div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr">On Tue, 3 Mar 2026, 16:22 Greg Molnar via Chat, <<a href="mailto:chat@lists.lrug.org" target="_blank">chat@lists.lrug.org</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><u></u><br></div><div><div>If anyone wants to join: <a href="https://discord.com/invite/qfnMkxbBug" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://discord.com/invite/qfnMkxbBug</a></div><div><br></div><div>On Tue, Mar 3, 2026, at 7:58 AM, Ian Moss via Chat wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite" id="m_2977649847461936559qt-m_4025666741606747854qt"><div style="font-family:Tahoma">There is a main ruby discord???</div><div style="font-family:Tahoma"><br></div><div id="m_2977649847461936559qt-m_4025666741606747854qt-sig14970285"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Source Sans 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target="_blank">chat@lists.lrug.org</a>></div><div>Cc: Jon Rowe <<a href="mailto:mail@jonrowe.co.uk" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">mail@jonrowe.co.uk</a>></div><div>Subject: Re: [LRUG] Ghosttown</div><div>Date: Friday, 13 February 2026 12:02</div><div><br></div><div type="cite" id="m_2977649847461936559qt-m_4025666741606747854qt-qt"><div>The main Ruby discord also has a jobs channel which has a very active hiring channel albiet its pretty much all automatic postings from <a href="https://rubyonremote.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://rubyonremote.com/</a> but I'm not sure I've seen many UK-centric roles there.</div><div><br></div><div>On Thu, 12 Feb 2026, at 1:16 PM, Greg Molnar via Chat wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite" id="m_2977649847461936559qt-m_4025666741606747854qt-qt-qt"><div>My 2 cents...</div><div>I don't know where you guys are looking, but these job boards have Rails opportunities:</div><div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://railshotwirejobs.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://railshotwirejobs.com/</a></div></div><div><div><a href="https://jobs.gorails.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://jobs.gorails.com/</a></div><div><a href="https://jobs.rubyonrails.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://jobs.rubyonrails.org/</a></div><div><br></div><div>Besides these, every conference I went to last year, I've seen many companies hiring, and not all of them advertise those jobs(or at least I did see them advertised). There are also Ruby related discords, like the Gorails one or the one I started a while ago, there are job postings on both that are not advertised elsewhere.</div><div>I am not saying it is easy to get hired, the high number of applications(most AI generated) make it hard on the hiring side too, but if you write a good application and you have a good profile, I think you can land a job. Maybe not as quickly and maybe not as well paid as 10 years ago though, when we had a golden age and Ruby devs were able to demand high salaries and amazing work conditions. But times change, and who know, maybe we will get back to that in a while.</div><div>As for the entry level jobs, that was always hard, except the precovid ZIRP period when they hired people that didn't even know how to use git. And I remember how hard it was for me almost 15 years ago when I transitioned to Ruby. 5 years ago this was blamed on Covid, now it is blamed on AI, 5 years from now it will be blamed on something else. </div><div><br></div><div>So in overall, I think we are fine, not as good as used to be, but if you make an effort, you can likely find work. If you struggle, you might need to work on your skills(tech or human). Start a blog, contribute to open source, go to conferences and you will end up with a better profile a good network and will likely not suffer when looking for a job. </div><div><br></div><div>Good luck to all the jobseekers out there.</div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, Feb 11, 2026, at 3:12 PM, Benjamin Eskola via Chat wrote:</div></div><blockquote type="cite" id="m_2977649847461936559qt-m_4025666741606747854qt-qt-qt-qt"><div>If everyone's claiming it, does your CV really stand out by claiming it?</div><div><br></div><div>Anyway, that's even assuming it *is* an amplifier. In many cases it seems to be a longwinded (and expensive) way of doing what would be easier to just do oneself.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Ben</div><div><br></div><div>> On 11. Feb 2026, at 13.53, Igor via Chat <<a href="mailto:chat@lists.lrug.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">chat@lists.lrug.org</a>> wrote:</div><div>> </div><div>> Agree with Eleanor. In today’s world, the smartest move might be to embrace AI as an amplifier, using it to boost your impact and make your CV stand out, while still highlighting the problem-solving and critical thinking only humans can provide.</div><div>> </div><div>> On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 at 13:49, Eleanor McHugh via Chat <<a href="mailto:chat@lists.lrug.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">chat@lists.lrug.org</a>> wrote:</div><div>> Best Outcome?</div><div>> </div><div>> Bubble grow large.</div><div>> </div><div>> Bubble go pop.</div><div>> </div><div>> Employers rediscover that programmers don't just regurgitate code: they understand problems and devise solutions.</div><div>> </div><div>> Judging by previous hype cycles, this could take a while...</div><div>> </div><div>> </div><div>> > On 11 Feb 2026, at 11:10, Michael Pavling via Chat <<a href="mailto:chat@lists.lrug.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">chat@lists.lrug.org</a>> wrote:</div><div>> > </div><div>> > Well... The jobs market looks pretty bleak, doesn't it?</div><div>> > </div><div>> > There seems to be no entry-level roles now, and the mid/senior roles are few and far between, with hundreds of applicants scrabbling to stand out with their AI tuned CVs :-(</div><div>> > </div><div>> > What's gonna be the case in a couple of years? (Or even at the end of this year)</div><div>> > Is that it for Ruby jobs now? 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