[LRUG] Chat Digest, Vol 74, Issue 15

[HARRY HARRISON]

I think the copy was ripped off, so even more lazy from the recruiting
business!

If this issue really wanted to be resolved, it could be that LRug charge
for job adverts from recruiters, either on a per-advert basis or even
taking a fee for successful placements. Then using the cash for the greater
good of the community. Depends if admin have the time or inclination.

Just a thought though.

Harry.

On 12 March 2012 15:22, <chat-request at lists.lrug.org> wrote:

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> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 20:50:57 +0530
> From: Sidu Ponnappa <ckponnappa at gmail.com>
> To: London Ruby Users Group <chat at lists.lrug.org>
> Subject: Re: [LRUG] [JOBS] Ruby on Rails Developer - 6month contract -
>        STARTING ASAP
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> Best,
> Sidu.
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> On Mar 12, 2012 8:44 PM, "Richard Taylor" <richard at richt.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Either the copy was ripped off this advert or its a Berlin-based company?
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Ruby-on-Rails-developer-company-27822.S.85496137
> >
> > --
> > Richard Taylor
> >
> > On Monday, 12 March 2012 at 15:13, Tom Blomfield wrote:
> >
> >  I had the same thought a couple of weeks ago, and it is a lot of fun...
> >
> > I'm just a little concerned that we're just encouraging recruiters to
> post
> > even vaguer descriptions....
> >
> > --
> > Tom Blomfield
> > +44 7767 484619
> >
> > gocardless.com
> >
> > On Monday, 12 March 2012 at 15:09, Sam Phillips wrote:
> >
> > I was wondering only this morning if we could address this by guessing
> > the name of the company when an advert came through. I know at least
> > 60% of the time who it is, and if the convention was to reveal the
> > name, maybe recruiters would learn(!) to not post ads without company
> > names?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Sam
> >
> > On 12 March 2012 15:03, Roland Swingler <roland.swingler at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > At the risk of opening this can of worms again, can we not do
> > something about these vague recruiter job descriptions? They seem to
> > be more prevalent over the past month or so. The previous discussion
> > seemed to be heavily biased against having recruiters post at all; the
> > posting guidelines (http://lrug.org/posting-jobs) seem pretty clear
> > about not posting job adverts like the one below, which tell me
> > absolutely nothing about the company.
> >
> > My vote would be a warning followed by banning from the list for
> > people who blatantly ignore these guidelines if this is not too much
> > work to administer. To be clear, I'm not against job postings, I'm
> > against postings like the one below.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Roland
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Matthew Geppert <matt at osrecruit.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm in urgent need of Ruby on Rails contractors to work a minimum of
> > 6months
> > starting ASAP - The daily rate is dependant on experience.
> >
> > This company is passionate about their products and the evolving
> > technologies they use to build them. As a ruby on rails Developer you
> will
> > need to share their passion for craftsmanship in software design and
> > development and continuous improvement in the techniques, tools and
> > languages they use; as well as have an appreciation for business
> objectives
> > and delivering superior, innovative software solutions.
> >
> > Essential Skills:
> >
> > * Ruby on Rails
> > * Strong Object Oriented design skills
> > * Previous experience with test-driven development, automated testing
> > frameworks and related tools such as JUnit, RSpec, Cucumber, JBehave,
> > Selenium and JMock
> > * Proven experience working with Continuous Integration and Revision
> > Control
> > systems such as Bamboo, Hudson and CruiseControl and Subversion, git or
> CVS
> > * Strong interpersonal and relationship building skills within an Agile
> > project teams
> > * Ability to understand a technology problem in light of a broader
> product
> > vision
> >
> > If you are interested or need further information, please send me an
> email
> > with your CV, github URL's and blog address now for an immediate
> response -
> > all conversations are strictly confidential.
> >
> > I hope to hear from you soon.
> >
> > Matthew Geppert
> > mail: matt at osrecruit.com
> > web: www.osrecruit.com
> > tel: +44 (0) 1992 565 627
> >
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> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:22:52 +0000
> From: Max Williams <toastkid.williams at gmail.com>
> To: London Ruby Users Group <chat at lists.lrug.org>
> Subject: Re: [LRUG] [JOBS] Ruby on Rails Developer - 6month contract -
>        STARTING ASAP
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> That seems overly anti-recruiter.  They're easy enough to ignore if you're
> not interested - that's why the JOBS tag was adopted.
>
> On 12 March 2012 15:19, Paul Doerwald <paul at liquidmedia.ca> wrote:
>
> >  Maybe that says something about your actual value. Perhaps there is no
> > value to posting/reposting a job advertisement in a mailing list. Perhaps
> > your real value is in directly pursuing potential candidates.
> >
> > Paul.
> >
> > --
> > Paul Doerwald
> > Chancellor
> > Liquid Media Inc.
> > 902-412-2492
> >
> > On Monday, 12 March, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Anna Burchfiel wrote:
> >
> > Exactly. As a recruitment consultant, I won?t post the company I?m
> working
> > with unless I am working exclusively on a role, because if someone
> applies
> > directly to them I get nothing for passing on the information about it
> and
> > having them get the job. Perhaps we could come to some sort of
> gentlemen?s
> > agreement of giving the company name in the first instance someone
> contacts
> > you, since you would then already have their details to confirm your
> > interaction with them?****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Just a thought. ****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > *Anna Burchfiel*
> > Consultant
> > *Volt *
> > 85 Gracechurch Street, London EC3V 0AA, United Kingdom****
> >
> > *ddi: *****
> >
> > +44 (0) 207 648 4806****
> >
> > *tel: *****
> >
> > +44 (0) 207 648 4800****
> >
> > *fax: *****
> >
> > +44 (0) 1737 772949****
> >
> > *email: *****
> >
> > Anna.Burchfiel at VoltEurope.com****
> >
> > *web:*****
> >
> > www.volteurope.com****
> >
> > *search: *****
> >
> > jobs.volteurope.com****
> >
> >
> > [image:
> >
> http://www.volteurope.com/images/awards/APSCo_2011_email_logo_UK.gif]****
> >
> > *From:* chat-bounces at lists.lrug.org [mailto:chat-bounces at lists.lrug.org<
> chat-bounces at lists.lrug.org>]
> > *On Behalf Of *Tom Blomfield
> > *Sent:* 12 March 2012 15:13
> > *To:* London Ruby Users Group
> > *Subject:* Re: [LRUG] [JOBS] Ruby on Rails Developer - 6month contract -
> > STARTING ASAP****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > I had the same thought a couple of weeks ago, and it is a lot of
> fun...***
> > *
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > I'm just a little concerned that we're just encouraging recruiters to
> post
> > even vaguer descriptions....****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > --
> > Tom Blomfield
> > +44 7767 484619****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > gocardless.com****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > On Monday, 12 March 2012 at 15:09, Sam Phillips wrote:****
> >
> > I was wondering only this morning if we could address this by
> guessing****
> >
> > the name of the company when an advert came through. I know at least****
> >
> > 60% of the time who it is, and if the convention was to reveal the****
> >
> > name, maybe recruiters would learn(!) to not post ads without company****
> >
> > names?****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Cheers,****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Sam****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > On 12 March 2012 15:03, Roland Swingler <roland.swingler at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > ****
> >
> > At the risk of opening this can of worms again, can we not do****
> >
> > something about these vague recruiter job descriptions? They seem to****
> >
> > be more prevalent over the past month or so. The previous discussion****
> >
> > seemed to be heavily biased against having recruiters post at all;
> the****
> >
> > posting guidelines (http://lrug.org/posting-jobs) seem pretty clear****
> >
> > about not posting job adverts like the one below, which tell me****
> >
> > absolutely nothing about the company.****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > My vote would be a warning followed by banning from the list for****
> >
> > people who blatantly ignore these guidelines if this is not too much****
> >
> > work to administer. To be clear, I'm not against job postings, I'm****
> >
> > against postings like the one below.****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Thoughts?****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Roland****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Matthew Geppert <matt at osrecruit.com>
> > wrote:****
> >
> > Hi all,****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > I'm in urgent need of Ruby on Rails contractors to work a minimum of
> > 6months****
> >
> > starting ASAP - The daily rate is dependant on experience.****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > This company is passionate about their products and the evolving****
> >
> > technologies they use to build them. As a ruby on rails Developer you
> will
> > ****
> >
> > need to share their passion for craftsmanship in software design and****
> >
> > development and continuous improvement in the techniques, tools and****
> >
> > languages they use; as well as have an appreciation for business
> objectives
> > ****
> >
> > and delivering superior, innovative software solutions.****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Essential Skills:****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > * Ruby on Rails****
> >
> > * Strong Object Oriented design skills****
> >
> > * Previous experience with test-driven development, automated testing****
> >
> > frameworks and related tools such as JUnit, RSpec, Cucumber, JBehave,****
> >
> > Selenium and JMock****
> >
> > * Proven experience working with Continuous Integration and Revision
> > Control****
> >
> > systems such as Bamboo, Hudson and CruiseControl and Subversion, git or
> CVS
> > ****
> >
> > * Strong interpersonal and relationship building skills within an
> Agile***
> > *
> >
> > project teams****
> >
> > * Ability to understand a technology problem in light of a broader
> product
> > ****
> >
> > vision****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > If you are interested or need further information, please send me an
> email
> > ****
> >
> > with your CV, github URL's and blog address now for an immediate
> response -
> > ****
> >
> > all conversations are strictly confidential.****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > I hope to hear from you soon.****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Matthew Geppert****
> >
> > mail: matt at osrecruit.com****
> >
> > web: www.osrecruit.com****
> >
> > tel: +44 (0) 1992 565 627****
> >
> > ** **
> >
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