[LRUG] I Love Ruby

Tue Jul 16 00:18:51 PDT 2013

We simply welcome female developers and indeed developers from all nationalities. Mostly to date the developer world does feel very male.

Does the ruby london group not encourage such activities
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-----Original Message-----
From: Thayer Prime <thayer at team-prime.com>
Sender: chat-bounces at lists.lrug.orgDate: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:56:37 
To: Mark Burns<markthedeveloper at gmail.com>
Cc: London Ruby Users Group<chat at lists.lrug.org>
Subject: Re: [LRUG] I Love Ruby

Yeah, true. I do know this is less and less now, and I absolutely
adore you guys who won't put up with it so much.

Really, from 20 year old me that used to get my leg humped in the bar
by one of the back end devs (!) and my sex life asked about (and then
made up and discussed when I didn't answer) Every Fucking Week when I
was a "junior female dev" * - seeing you stick us for us women is
great.
<3

* amongst many other stories I could tell you...

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Mark Burns <markthedeveloper at gmail.com> wrote:
> If it's any consolation, then by speaking up, we are showing a voice of
> dissent, that this is not the default, nor an acceptable viewpoint.
>
>
> On 16 July 2013 07:42, Thayer Prime <thayer at team-prime.com> wrote:
>>
>> Eurgh, I genuinely feel quite sick from that. I know which company
>> I'll be ensuring to warn devs off when they come asking where to work.
>> FFS.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Thayer Prime <thayer at team-prime.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Yep, sorry - I find that hugely offensive, and one of the things that
>> > stopped me being the (token?) female dev.
>> >
>> > Grim.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Sam Livingston-Gray <geeksam at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >> Quite. In a nutshell, to treat any human being as though they were a
>> >> facility or form of compensation instead of having agency is so deeply
>> >> and
>> >> fundamentally disrespectful that the word "disrespectful" seems
>> >> inadequate
>> >> to the task, causing one to reach for, e.g., "misogyny" instead.
>> >>
>> >> Compared to that, the fact that I don't especially like beer and can't
>> >> stand
>> >> it when people misspell "espresso" (see also
>> >> twitter.com/yaykyle/status/347013342159847424) seem like positively
>> >> trivial
>> >> complaints.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Sent from a device with a virtual keyboard. Please excuse terseness,
>> >> top-posting, hilarity introduced by autocorrect.
>> >>
>> >> On Jul 15, 2013, at 10:59 PM, Mark Burns <markthedeveloper at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I stayed out of the gender conversation last time, but I'm going to
>> >> stick my
>> >> neck out, and without meaning to speak on behalf of women, I'm just
>> >> going to
>> >> say that it is exactly this kind of thing that makes the community
>> >> unwelcoming to women.
>> >> I can't count how many ways it is offensive to list female developers
>> >> as a
>> >> number on a list of attractive features of a company.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 16 July 2013 01:04, Richard Green <richard at evvnt.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Well it's certainly been an interesting week signing up to the Ruby
>> >>> Users
>> >>> Group and I've learn quite a few things...
>> >>>
>> >>> 1. Don't double email (foolish)
>> >>>
>> >>> 2. [JOB] posts require title filters.
>> >>> I'm undecided as whether this is to prevent the post going to
>> >>> developers
>> >>> or to direct the post to recruitment agencies.
>> >>>
>> >>> Well the scores on the doors
>> >>>
>> >>> Developers 0 - 8 Recruiters
>> >>>
>> >>> I think the recruiters are winning...
>> >>>
>> >>> 3. Ruby developers have quality banter and like to squish themselves
>> >>> in to
>> >>> tiny pubs, drink lots of beer and chat projects and code. More of
>> >>> point 3
>> >>> required.
>> >>>
>> >>> So in the art of snaring a ruby developer in the next 6 weeks, what
>> >>> temps
>> >>> these rare creatures out of their natural habit to venture to pastures
>> >>> new...
>> >>>
>> >>> Let me know which of the following would tempt you from you desk...
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> 1. Keg of beer and beer tap fitted to your development desk?
>> >>>
>> >>> 2. The recruitment fee as your welcome gift?
>> >>>
>> >>> 3. 4 day week?
>> >>>
>> >>> 4. Building your own team of 4 from scratch
>> >>>
>> >>> 5. Shares and equity (so dull)
>> >>>
>> >>> 6. Commission from online sales.
>> >>>
>> >>> 7. An endless jar of Cadbury chocolate eclairs...
>> >>>
>> >>> 8. 4X female french, italian and spanish junior / front and backend
>> >>> developers
>> >>>
>> >>> 9. Your own Expresso coffee machine with frothy milk maker...
>> >>>
>> >>> 10. 30 days paid holiday if taken in December and August.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm looking for your best number or a combination of up to 3...
>> >>>
>> >>> Richard Green
>> >>> evvnt.com
>> >>>
>> >>> CONFESSION:: I have yet to read the rules on posting, I'm hoping
>> >>> humour
>> >>> makes it through the filter.
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