[LRUG] ADVICE

[Vish Vishvanath]

Steady on,

s/he hardly "condemned others"; drawing attention to the historically unethical activities of a well-known Ruby shop was a perfectly reasonable thing to do, which is, surely, the real issue here? Irony alert: Shouting at/berating whistleblowers only encourages them to become/stay anonymous. 

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On 29 May 2013, at 09:21, Najaf Ali <ali at happybearsoftware.com> wrote:

> @YHH, it is cowardly to hide behind an alias when you publicly condemn others. You bring shame on this house!
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> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Steve Buckley <sbuckley at globalpersonals.co.uk> wrote:
> Morning LRUG
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> If anyone has any issues or questions over the issue raised by 'Yukihiro Heninemeir Hansson' (I thought that may have been _why the lucky stiff's true identity for a minute) then by all means feel free to email me directly. We're happy to put a balanced perspective on the issue but discussing it publicly in this thread adds zero value to the group.
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> Those of you who know me, know that I don't pull any punches and I don't shy away from confrontation and as Michael graciously pointed out yesterday, I have no issue setting the record straight.
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> Steve
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> On 28 May 2013, at 15:12, Yukihiro Heinemeier Hansson <yukihiroheinemeierhansson at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Hi Steve,
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>> I'm a senior developer and I'm interested in getting a job at Global Web Dev, I just have a quick question.
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>> I saw the exposé that channel 4 did on you guys:
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>> http://www.channel4.com/news/fools-for-love-how-one-internet-dating-firm-dupes-clients 
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>> I was wondering what the split is between time developing and time spent pretending to be a woman on the internet? I have to say that of the two I'm far stronger at development.
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>> Thanks, YHH
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>> Fantastic post. I'd like to repost the comment I left on your blog here for clarity:
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>> Great article but I'd like to point out that whilst I'm flattered by your comments, I'm not an agency recruiter. Hacker Jobs is very much an independent side project and my full-time day job is as the in-house Tech Recruitment Manager for Globaldev. I don't consult with any other companies and have literally zero intention of ever venturing back into the world of agency recruitment.
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>> That being said, if you're a rubyist in London then there's an exceptionally high chance of running into me sooner rather than later as Globaldev are growing immensely.
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>> Great work Najaf.
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>> Steve
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>> On 24 May 2013, at 15:22, Najaf Ali <ali at happybearsoftware.com> wrote:
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>> Late to the party I know, but I started writing a reply and it turned into the Iliad. It had a fun story in it so I went ahead and published it to my blog instead:
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>> http://happybearsoftware.com/my-experiences-with-recruiters-and-how-id-like-to-be-sold-to.html
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>> There's no identifying information but if you'd like me to remove the quote, let me know. Also, Steve (Buckley), you're in it.
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>> -Ali
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>> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Rob Beattie <RBeattie at recruit360.co.uk> wrote:
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>> Morning all,
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>> I hope you are well.
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>> I appreciate this might be opening a can of worms but I’m keen to get your thoughts and ideally some advice.
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>> I signed up to LRUG a month or so ago in order to try and gain a better understanding of the Ruby market in London.  I’ve had a positive response from a few candidates but generally speaking I see antipathy towards recruitment consultants / agencies. 
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>> I know there’s a stigma attached to our industry but I can assure you we aren’t all bad!
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>> What I’m trying to understand is why employers, and to a certain extent candidates, are so against working with agencies?  Is it because of fees? Have you had bad experiences?  If it’s company policy, why is it company policy? 
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>> I appreciate there are a lot of companies who now operate a direct sourcing model and simply don’t need to use agencies.  I get that and I understand your reasoning behind this, but for companies who are struggling to find good candidates, and don’t have the resources in place to spend the majority of their day sourcing candidates, why won’t you use agencies?
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>> For those of you who are open to working with agencies, what do you feel is the best way for me to approach your company?      
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>> I’m open to suggestions, although things like die, rot in hell and get out of recruitment aren’t options I’m afraid :-)
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>> I take pride in what I do and so it would be really helpful to get your thoughts.
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>> I don’t want to clog up the mailing list so if you have any thoughts / advice, I’d be extremely grateful if you drop me an email or alternatively, feel free to give me a call.   
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>> I look forward to hearing from you.
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>> Regards,
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>> Rob
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>> Rob Beattie – Recruit360
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>> Direct line - +44 (0) 117 906 0146
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>> rbeattie at recruit360.co.uk 
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>> Steve Buckley
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>> P:      01753 271289
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>> M:     07538 647117
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>> Global Personals is a limited company registered in England and Wales.
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> Steve Buckley
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> Global Personals is a limited company registered in England and Wales.
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> Registered office: Minton Place, Victoria Street, Windsor, Berkshire, SL4 1EG, United Kingdom
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