[LRUG] [JOBS] Required: Rails craftsperson

Thu Mar 25 10:35:13 PDT 2021

[This appears to be a reply to an off-list message, which seems
questionable?]

Anyway, a perspective from a few years back that I still find useful:
https://ernie.io/2015/12/05/market-rate-is-for-lobsters/

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 10:21 AM Pablo Dejuan Calzolari <
pablo.dejuan at gmail.com> wrote:

> I would be careful with this path of reasoning, supporting the answer
> based on because other people do it, so it should be OK.
> Sometimes the answer is just straight-forward, example because you can pay
> less. People in some areas to take up work for less than people in London
> because they may have less offers around. May not be about cost of living
> but about market expectations.
> Regards,
> Pablo
>
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 3:26 PM Ed James <ed.james.spam at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It’s standard practice across a number of industries, at least in the UK.
>>
>> Even the NHS do this:
>> https://www.nhsemployers.org/pay-pensions-and-reward/nhs-terms-and-conditions-of-service---agenda-for-change/pay-scales/including-hcas
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Ed James
>> I will respect your spam <ed.james.spam at gmail.com>
>>
>> On 25 Mar 2021, at 13:20, Edmond Lepedus <ed.lepedus at googlemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Rafik,
>>
>> I don’t think it can be that, since other, more expensive cities aren’t
>> singled out e.g. Zurich, New York,  Tokyo etc, or even Oxford, Cambridge,
>> Bath etc where some areas are more expensive than parts of London.
>>
>> More importantly, paying people more just because they live in a more
>> expensive area introduces perverse incentives to move to said areas and
>> exacerbates the very problem it would seem to be tackling. It would also be
>> discriminatory towards all sorts of people who, perhaps through no fault of
>> their own e.g. family situation, economic circumstances etc aren’t able to
>> live in the anointed region.
>>
>> I’m sure an employer would like to recognise and reward people based on
>> the value of their contributions, and allow them to make their own
>> tradeoffs between location and cost of living.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> On 25 Mar 2021, at 12:32, Rafik DALI <rfkdali at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Edmond,
>>
>> I think it's more about cost of life in London.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rafik
>>
>> Le jeu. 25 mars 2021 à 12:06, Edmond Lepedus <ed.lepedus at googlemail.com>
>> a écrit :
>>
>>> Hi Olly,
>>>
>>> It’s interesting that your salary structure includes a premium for
>>> people in London. Do you find they are more productive than developers
>>> elsewhere in the country/world?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Ed
>>>
>>> On 25 Mar 2021, at 09:04, Olly Headey <olly at freeagent.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> p.s. I should have added. We're looking for mid-level people and above.
>>> Mid-level salaries go up to £50k (60k in inner London) and Senior-Staff
>>> salaries go up to £80k (£96k with inner London weighting, £92k for outer
>>> London). We do also have a Principal level which pays more but tbh that's a
>>> pretty high bar.
>>>
>>> Also: no recruiters plz.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 at 09:01, Olly Headey <olly at freeagent.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi LRUG
>>>>
>>>> I haven't posted a job for a while, I hope you're all well 😊.  We're
>>>> creating a new, small team of Rails craftspeople, and I thought people here
>>>> might be interested (or know people who are interested!). A bit of context
>>>> first...
>>>>
>>>> FreeAgent is a Ruby on Rails application (running Rails 6.1, Ruby 3)
>>>> that has been serving happy customers since 2007. We have 110,000+
>>>> customers. Over the years we have seen a number of approaches to our
>>>> front-end code, from the early days of Prototype.js, through to jQuery, a
>>>> bit of React once-upon-a-time and, latterly, Stimulus.
>>>>
>>>> I believe the Rails front-end ecosystem has entered a new era of
>>>> maturity and we want our new "Front-end Architecture" team to help us
>>>> consolidate our front-end tech around modern Rails standards – ES6,
>>>> Webpacker, Stimulus and Hotwire – while working closely with our Design
>>>> System team on our home-grown design system, FreeStyle.
>>>>
>>>> The team will focus on things like removing jQuery (in the first
>>>> instance), while crafting our many views and controllers to take advantage
>>>> of Turbo where it can help, write beautifully minimal Stimulus controllers
>>>> (and, to be honest, removing all JS where possible!), writing semantic
>>>> markup and helping to integrate new components from FreeStyle.
>>>>
>>>> I think this is a rewarding role made for Rails craftspeople.
>>>>
>>>> If you're interested, please drop me a line (olly at freeagent.com).
>>>> Happy to chat! Thanks a lot :-)
>>>>
>>>> Olly
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Olly Headey
>>>> Co-founder and CTO, FreeAgent
>>>> @lylo <https://twitter.com/lylo>
>>>>
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