[LRUG] [JOBS] Required: Rails craftsperson

Jon Rowe mail at jonrowe.co.uk
Thu Mar 25 10:48:09 PDT 2021 

I'd actually thought this earlier but in the spirit of the linked post,
I just want to say...

Kudos to FreeAgent for being up front about their salary ranges. We
wouldn't be having this debate without their transparency there, so well
done Olly.

Cheers
Jon

On March 25, 2021, Sam Livingston-Gray <geeksam at gmail.com> wrote:
> [This appears to be a reply to an off-list message, which seems
> questionable?]
> Anyway, a perspective from a few years back that I still find useful: 
> <https://ernie.io/2015/12/05/market-rate-is-for-lobsters/>


> On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 10:21 AM Pablo Dejuan Calzolari
> <pablo.dejuan at gmail.com <mailto:pablo.dejuan at gmail.com>> wrote:

> I would be careful with this path of reasoning, supporting the answer
> based on because other people do it, so it should be OK.
> Sometimes the answer is just straight-forward, example because you can
> pay less. People in some areas to take up work for less than people in
> London because they may have less offers around. May not be about cost
> of living but about market expectations.
> Regards,
> Pablo
>
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 3:26 PM Ed James <ed.james.spam at gmail.com
> <mailto:ed.james.spam at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > It’s standard practice across a number of industries, at least in
> > the UK.
> >
> > Even the NHS do this: <https://www.nhsemployers.org/pay-pensions-
> > and-reward/nhs-terms-and-conditions-of-service---agenda-for-
> > change/pay-scales/including-hcas>
> >
> >
> >
> > Ed James
> >
> > I will respect your spam <mailto:ed.james.spam at gmail.com>
> >
> > > On 25 Mar 2021, at 13:20, Edmond Lepedus
> > > <ed.lepedus at googlemail.com <mailto:ed.lepedus at googlemail.com>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Rafik,
> > >
> > > I don’t think it can be that, since other, more expensive cities
> > > aren’t singled out e.g. Zurich, New York,  Tokyo etc, or even
> > > Oxford, Cambridge, Bath etc where some areas are more expensive
> > > than parts of London. 
> > >
> > > More importantly, paying people more just because they live in a
> > > more expensive area introduces perverse incentives to move to said
> > > areas and exacerbates the very problem it would seem to be
> > > tackling. It would also be discriminatory towards all sorts of
> > > people who, perhaps through no fault of their own e.g. family
> > > situation, economic circumstances etc aren’t able to live in the
> > > anointed region.
> > >
> > > I’m sure an employer would like to recognise and reward people
> > > based on the value of their contributions, and allow them to make
> > > their own tradeoffs between location and cost of living.
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
> > > > On 25 Mar 2021, at 12:32, Rafik DALI <rfkdali at gmail.com
> > > > <mailto:rfkdali at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Edmond,
> > > >
> > > > I think it's more about cost of life in London.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Rafik
> > > >
> > > > Le jeu. 25 mars 2021 à 12:06, Edmond Lepedus
> > > > <ed.lepedus at googlemail.com <mailto:ed.lepedus at googlemail.com>> a
> > > > écrit :
> > > > > Hi Olly,
> > > > >
> > > > > It’s interesting that your salary structure includes a premium
> > > > > for people in London. Do you find they are more productive
> > > > > than developers elsewhere in the country/world?
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Ed
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 25 Mar 2021, at 09:04, Olly Headey <olly at freeagent.com
> > > > > > <mailto:olly at freeagent.com>> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > p.s. I should have added. We're looking for mid-level people
> > > > > > and above. Mid-level salaries go up to £50k (60k in inner
> > > > > > London) and Senior-Staff salaries go up to £80k (£96k with
> > > > > > inner London weighting, £92k for outer London). We do also
> > > > > > have a Principal level which pays more but tbh that's a
> > > > > > pretty high bar.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also: no recruiters plz.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 at 09:01, Olly Headey
> > > > > > <olly at freeagent.com <mailto:olly at freeagent.com>> wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi LRUG
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I haven't posted a job for a while, I hope you're all well
> > > > > > > 😊.  We're creating a new, small team of Rails
> > > > > > > craftspeople, and I thought people here might be
> > > > > > > interested (or know people who are interested!). A bit of
> > > > > > > context first...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > FreeAgent is a Ruby on Rails application (running Rails
> > > > > > > 6.1, Ruby 3) that has been serving happy customers since
> > > > > > > 2007. We have 110,000+ customers. Over the years we have
> > > > > > > seen a number of approaches to our front-end code, from
> > > > > > > the early days of Prototype.js, through to jQuery, a bit
> > > > > > > of React once-upon-a-time and, latterly, Stimulus.
> > > > > > > I believe the Rails front-end ecosystem has entered a new
> > > > > > > era of maturity and we want our new "Front-end
> > > > > > > Architecture" team to help us consolidate our front-end
> > > > > > > tech around modern Rails standards – ES6, Webpacker,
> > > > > > > Stimulus and Hotwire – while working closely with our
> > > > > > > Design System team on our home-grown design system,
> > > > > > > FreeStyle.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The team will focus on things like removing jQuery (in the
> > > > > > > first instance), while crafting our many views and
> > > > > > > controllers to take advantage of Turbo where it can help,
> > > > > > > write beautifully minimal Stimulus controllers (and, to be
> > > > > > > honest, removing all JS where possible!), writing semantic
> > > > > > > markup and helping to integrate new components from
> > > > > > > FreeStyle. 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think this is a rewarding role made for Rails
> > > > > > > craftspeople.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you're interested, please drop me a line
> > > > > > > (olly at freeagent.com <mailto:olly at freeagent.com>). Happy to
> > > > > > > chat! Thanks a lot :-)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Olly
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -- 
> > > > > > > Olly Headey 
> > > > > > > Co-founder and CTO, FreeAgent
> > > > > > > @lylo <https://twitter.com/lylo>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
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