[LRUG] [JOBS] Required: Rails craftsperson

Sam Livingston-Gray geeksam at gmail.com
Thu Mar 25 10:59:52 PDT 2021 

[Ah, sorry, messages just arrived out of order.  Carry on; I'll make
popcorn.]

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 10:35 AM Sam Livingston-Gray <geeksam at gmail.com>
wrote:

> [This appears to be a reply to an off-list message, which seems
> questionable?]
>
> Anyway, a perspective from a few years back that I still find useful:
> https://ernie.io/2015/12/05/market-rate-is-for-lobsters/
>
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 10:21 AM Pablo Dejuan Calzolari <
> pablo.dejuan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I would be careful with this path of reasoning, supporting the answer
>> based on because other people do it, so it should be OK.
>> Sometimes the answer is just straight-forward, example because you can
>> pay less. People in some areas to take up work for less than people in
>> London because they may have less offers around. May not be about cost of
>> living but about market expectations.
>> Regards,
>> Pablo
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 3:26 PM Ed James <ed.james.spam at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It’s standard practice across a number of industries, at least in the UK.
>>>
>>> Even the NHS do this:
>>> https://www.nhsemployers.org/pay-pensions-and-reward/nhs-terms-and-conditions-of-service---agenda-for-change/pay-scales/including-hcas
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Ed James
>>> I will respect your spam <ed.james.spam at gmail.com>
>>>
>>> On 25 Mar 2021, at 13:20, Edmond Lepedus <ed.lepedus at googlemail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Rafik,
>>>
>>> I don’t think it can be that, since other, more expensive cities aren’t
>>> singled out e.g. Zurich, New York,  Tokyo etc, or even Oxford, Cambridge,
>>> Bath etc where some areas are more expensive than parts of London.
>>>
>>> More importantly, paying people more just because they live in a more
>>> expensive area introduces perverse incentives to move to said areas and
>>> exacerbates the very problem it would seem to be tackling. It would also be
>>> discriminatory towards all sorts of people who, perhaps through no fault of
>>> their own e.g. family situation, economic circumstances etc aren’t able to
>>> live in the anointed region.
>>>
>>> I’m sure an employer would like to recognise and reward people based on
>>> the value of their contributions, and allow them to make their own
>>> tradeoffs between location and cost of living.
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>> On 25 Mar 2021, at 12:32, Rafik DALI <rfkdali at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Edmond,
>>>
>>> I think it's more about cost of life in London.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> Le jeu. 25 mars 2021 à 12:06, Edmond Lepedus <ed.lepedus at googlemail.com>
>>> a écrit :
>>>
>>>> Hi Olly,
>>>>
>>>> It’s interesting that your salary structure includes a premium for
>>>> people in London. Do you find they are more productive than developers
>>>> elsewhere in the country/world?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>> On 25 Mar 2021, at 09:04, Olly Headey <olly at freeagent.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> p.s. I should have added. We're looking for mid-level people and above.
>>>> Mid-level salaries go up to £50k (60k in inner London) and Senior-Staff
>>>> salaries go up to £80k (£96k with inner London weighting, £92k for outer
>>>> London). We do also have a Principal level which pays more but tbh that's a
>>>> pretty high bar.
>>>>
>>>> Also: no recruiters plz.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 at 09:01, Olly Headey <olly at freeagent.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi LRUG
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't posted a job for a while, I hope you're all well 😊.  We're
>>>>> creating a new, small team of Rails craftspeople, and I thought people here
>>>>> might be interested (or know people who are interested!). A bit of context
>>>>> first...
>>>>>
>>>>> FreeAgent is a Ruby on Rails application (running Rails 6.1, Ruby 3)
>>>>> that has been serving happy customers since 2007. We have 110,000+
>>>>> customers. Over the years we have seen a number of approaches to our
>>>>> front-end code, from the early days of Prototype.js, through to jQuery, a
>>>>> bit of React once-upon-a-time and, latterly, Stimulus.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe the Rails front-end ecosystem has entered a new era of
>>>>> maturity and we want our new "Front-end Architecture" team to help us
>>>>> consolidate our front-end tech around modern Rails standards – ES6,
>>>>> Webpacker, Stimulus and Hotwire – while working closely with our Design
>>>>> System team on our home-grown design system, FreeStyle.
>>>>>
>>>>> The team will focus on things like removing jQuery (in the first
>>>>> instance), while crafting our many views and controllers to take advantage
>>>>> of Turbo where it can help, write beautifully minimal Stimulus controllers
>>>>> (and, to be honest, removing all JS where possible!), writing semantic
>>>>> markup and helping to integrate new components from FreeStyle.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think this is a rewarding role made for Rails craftspeople.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you're interested, please drop me a line (olly at freeagent.com).
>>>>> Happy to chat! Thanks a lot :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Olly
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Olly Headey
>>>>> Co-founder and CTO, FreeAgent
>>>>> @lylo <https://twitter.com/lylo>
>>>>>
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