[LRUG] Action

[Vahagn Hayrapetyan]

Aha,

it looks like I'm the one who has mucked it up this time. This last mail
called "Action" was actually a draft, and something that I was only
considering about posting to the forum. One inattentive second, and the
wrong button gets clicked...

I am aware that most you are too busy to sit and answer Big Questions posted
by me, so I don't expect this discussion to snowball like the previous one.
(Also, "corporate assholes" may have been a bit strong - I apologize. That
wasn't directed at anyone in particular but is a stereotype, much like
"geek" is a stereotype).

However, now that this post *is* out, I'll do the right thing: Agree with
Chris :-)))

We need to work on building face to face relationships with clients, as
> that's the main thing that gets lost through offshoring.
>

That, plus industry-wide campaigning for standards and best practices I
think. I like to draw a parallel between our situation and the Web Standards
project - I doubt we can raise awareness as a group / category of developers
without some creative ways of promoting our message.

Oh, and England will win the World Cup.


Whatever you say :-)

/ Vahagn


On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Chris Parsons
<chris at edendevelopment.co.uk>wrote:

> On 7 Apr 2009, at 21:44, Vahagn Hayrapetyan wrote:
>
>  How do we create a web that is standardized and professional as a
>> programming platform, so more of the right people can become web developers
>> for the right reasons and thus swell our ranks?
>>
>
>
> I'll try and answer your questions with another question: How do you eat an
> elephant?
>
> It's not that bleak. Clients aren't stupid: over the long term they'll go
> for quality over price. Either that or they'll fail. Recessions are good for
> this sort of thing. Lots of bad web shops will fail when clients realise
> that they don't get good quality work on the cheap. It only takes one such
> experience for them to wake up.
>
> We all just need to keep plugging away, not sacrificing standards,
> delivering on time, for reasonable (not cheap) rates. Remember it's not 'us'
> and 'them'. If we assume that, we'll automatically set up barriers and we
> won't get our message across. We need to work on building face to face
> relationships with clients, as that's the main thing that gets lost through
> offshoring.
>
> If we carry on like this, one job at a time, we'll change the industry.
>
> Hope that's optimistic enough. Oh, and England will win the World Cup.
> There.
>
> Chris
>
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