[LRUG] Code samples: To do or not to do

[Vahagn Hayrapetyan]

PS. Point 2), corrected:

*Deliver to the end customer. Market directly to the end user. Team up with
developers who share your vision of quality.*

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Vahagn Hayrapetyan <vahagnh at gmail.com>wrote:

> This creates a problem for those of us that do care about these things.
>> When we start talking about them when we already work somewhere we likely
>> get blank stares and our ideas ignored, or pushed aside in the name of
>> "speed" or "just do it this way this once 'cos the client is on the phone".
>> When we talk about them when being interviewed we get blank stares and
>> passed over in favour of some other drone who won't come in and change
>> everything and frighten the rest of the drones.
>>
>
>
> Ah God.
>
> But, isn't the solution right at hand?
>
>    1. Acquire strong project management and marketing skills.
>    2. *Deliver to the end customer. Market directly to user. Team up with
>    developer who share your vision of quality.
>    *
>    3. Overdeliver each time, thanks to your vision of quality and strong
>    ability to follow up and deliver on a project
>    4. Leave the drones behind.
>    5. Improve the ecosystem by raising the standards bar.
>
> @Chris:
>
>> Let me know if you need any more detail from us on why we decided not to
>> call you for interview.
>>
>
> As a matter of fact, I'm not very bothered about that. I applied, sent you
> some code (more than 2-3 lines), and even offered you a bargain on the
> "price tag". You were not interested. I am not interested in why. I don't
> compete on the price and once a potential employer goes below a certain
> price level, I automatically stop worrying about that particular
> opportunity.
>
> However, if you have some points that you believe would benefit the
> discussion here, you're welcome to bring them up. Maybe we can get wiser,
> collectively.
>
> / Vahagn
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Chris Parsons <chris at edendevelopment.co.uk
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> On 7 Apr 2009, at 14:43, Anthony Green wrote:
>>
>>  I have a lot of sympathy with [Murray's] point of view.
>>>
>>> Conversley my experience of meeting people at Scotland on Rails was
>>> sufficiently positive to think 'it doesn't have to be like this'.
>>>
>>
>> How many specifically ruby shops are there around the UK which are like
>> Murray described? I know plenty of web shops in general are like this, but I
>> was under the impression that the standard is higher in Rubyland. Perhaps
>> not.
>>
>>  It was also why I felt something like Obie's RMM concept would be
>>> interesting if it could force a change in company culture.
>>>
>>
>> Here we go :) It'd be great if it did. Perhaps I'm too cynical - I just
>> feel it'll be doomed to failure unless it's peer led, owned by the
>> community, and not just driven by 'who you know'.
>>
>> Chris
>>
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