[LRUG] Chat Digest, Vol 38, Issue 5
Ian Drysdale
idrysdale at gmail.com
Mon Mar 9 04:00:30 PDT 2009
Hi Tim,
I feel that the two weeks are designed to be as beneficial for the person as
possible - we're keen that they have a good experience with us and learn
about how we work. There's also some element of mentoring involved, where
we can show them around the way we would approach different challenges.
Having run successful placements with design and film graduates (some of
which have come inboard) and it seems that those that participate have
really enjoyed their time with us, and the projects they've been involved
in.
And I whole heatedly agree about your idea of open sourcing code - it's
something we're looking at with a couple of planned projects.
Kind regards,
Ian
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> 1. [WORK EXPERIENCE AD] Make public services better! (Ian Drysdale)
> 2. Re: [WORK EXPERIENCE AD] Make public services better!
> (Tim Cowlishaw)
> 3. Re: [WORK EXPERIENCE AD] Make public services better! (James Adam)
> 4. Re: [WORK EXPERIENCE AD] Make public services better! (James Mead)
> 5. completelynovel.com looking for developer (Oliver Brooks)
> 6. Re: completelynovel.com looking for developer (Chris Mear)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 23:40:35 +0000
> From: Ian Drysdale <idrysdale at gmail.com>
> Subject: [LRUG] [WORK EXPERIENCE AD] Make public services better!
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> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm Ian, and I head up the online and social software work we do at
> thinkpublic <http://thinkpublic.com>. We're interested in how the web and
> social software holds huge potential for improving public services. We
> work
> with an exciting range of organisations
> <http://thinkpublic.com/clients.php>to explore this, coming up with
> new ideas, tools and services. We're
> looking for someone who likes developing (preferably in HTML, CSS and Ruby
> on Rails) and is interested in gaining work experience within our team. If
> this sounds like you, why not get in touch, please include a CV, examples
> of
> recent web work and a few words about why you'd like to work with us.
>
> Thanks for your time,
> Ian
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> From: Tim Cowlishaw <tim at timcowlishaw.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [LRUG] [WORK EXPERIENCE AD] Make public services better!
> To: London Ruby Users Group <chat at lists.lrug.org>
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> Hmm, I'm a little cynical about this - The culture of unpaid work
> placements (which are pretty much almost mandatory for finding a paid
> job later) has become commonplace in plenty of other industries - I
> don't think it's particularly valuable to anyone apart from the
> companies getting skilled workers for free, and i'd hate to see the
> same cultrure become prevalent in software development. Is there any
> particular reason (apart from budgetary considerations) that's
> stopping you from hiring a paid employee? If paying for a skilled
> programmer is impossible for whatever reason, have you thought about
> open-sourcing your code and building a community of contributing
> developers around it as an alternative? To my mind, that would provide
> better incentives for skilled people to contribute, and would lead to
> a broader skillset working on your code.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tim
>
> On 4 Mar 2009, at 23:40, Ian Drysdale wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I'm Ian, and I head up the online and social software work we do at
> > thinkpublic. We're interested in how the web and social software
> > holds huge potential for improving public services. We work with an
> > exciting range of organisations to explore this, coming up with new
> > ideas, tools and services. We're looking for someone who likes
> > developing (preferably in HTML, CSS and Ruby on Rails) and is
> > interested in gaining work experience within our team. If this
> > sounds like you, why not get in touch, please include a CV, examples
> > of recent web work and a few words about why you'd like to work with
> > us.
> >
> > Thanks for your time,
> > Ian
> > --
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> > . __/_/_ e: idrysdale at gmail.com
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:12:43 +0000
> From: James Adam <james at lazyatom.com>
> Subject: Re: [LRUG] [WORK EXPERIENCE AD] Make public services better!
> To: London Ruby Users Group <chat at lists.lrug.org>
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> We had young Alex MacCaw 'intern' at Aegis for a week or so, and then
> again as a paid slave/junior for a few months at Reevoo. Once we beat
> some of the precociousness out of him, I think everyone found it a
> useful experience. The boy still wont write tests though
>
> I couldn't comment on his actual salary, but I don't think it was a
> pittance.
>
> Seems like industries can perpetuate the 'unpaid work experience'
> where the demand for jobs is much higher than availability. I'm not
> sure that's the general case in ours, so I'd be surprised if the
> practice took off.
>
>
> James
>
> On 5 Mar 2009, at 09:00, Tim Cowlishaw wrote:
>
> > Hmm, I'm a little cynical about this - The culture of unpaid work
> > placements (which are pretty much almost mandatory for finding a
> > paid job later) has become commonplace in plenty of other industries
> > - I don't think it's particularly valuable to anyone apart from the
> > companies getting skilled workers for free, and i'd hate to see the
> > same cultrure become prevalent in software development. Is there any
> > particular reason (apart from budgetary considerations) that's
> > stopping you from hiring a paid employee? If paying for a skilled
> > programmer is impossible for whatever reason, have you thought about
> > open-sourcing your code and building a community of contributing
> > developers around it as an alternative? To my mind, that would
> > provide better incentives for skilled people to contribute, and
> > would lead to a broader skillset working on your code.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > On 4 Mar 2009, at 23:40, Ian Drysdale wrote:
> >
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >> I'm Ian, and I head up the online and social software work we do at
> >> thinkpublic. We're interested in how the web and social software
> >> holds huge potential for improving public services. We work with
> >> an exciting range of organisations to explore this, coming up with
> >> new ideas, tools and services. We're looking for someone who likes
> >> developing (preferably in HTML, CSS and Ruby on Rails) and is
> >> interested in gaining work experience within our team. If this
> >> sounds like you, why not get in touch, please include a CV,
> >> examples of recent web work and a few words about why you'd like to
> >> work with us.
> >>
> >> Thanks for your time,
> >> Ian
> >> --
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:59:59 +0000
> From: James Mead <jamesmead44 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [LRUG] [WORK EXPERIENCE AD] Make public services better!
> To: London Ruby Users Group <chat at lists.lrug.org>
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> 2009/3/4 Ian Drysdale <idrysdale at gmail.com>
>
> > We're interested in how the web and social software holds huge potential
> > for improving public services.
> >
>
> A slight tangent, but have you heard about and/or are you getting involved
> in Rewired State [1]? It seems relevant to what you are trying to do.
>
> James.
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> [1] http://rewiredstate.org/
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 18:42:42 +0000
> From: Oliver Brooks <oliver at completelyNovel.com>
> Subject: [LRUG] completelynovel.com looking for developer
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> Hi all,
>
> We're looking for a keen rubyist to join completelynovel.com. Myself and
> Jon
> will be at the pub on Monday, so please come over and say hi for some beer
> and sensual ruby chat.
>
> Cheers
>
> Oli & Jon
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> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:58:33 +0000
> From: Chris Mear <chrismear at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [LRUG] completelynovel.com looking for developer
> To: London Ruby Users Group <chat at lists.lrug.org>
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> On 5 Mar 2009, at 18:42, Oliver Brooks wrote:
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> > some beer
>
> http://icanhaz.com/rel
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> > sensual ruby chat.
>
> http://icanhaz.com/dkiw
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