[LRUG] What do people want to do with their career?

[Jon Wood]

To clarify, I don't expect someone to be an expert in a month. I totally agree that it takes years to get to that point. A month is about how long I reckon it would take to get to no longer being a net-negative for the team you're on, and in a position to pick up a project and (with coaching and code review) deliver it to a good standard. 

The process of training a new developer is a long one, but I don't think there's a better way to learn than working on real software. 


On Wednesday, 28 March 2012 at 11:06, Andrew Premdas wrote:

> On 21 March 2012 23:41, Jon Wood <jon at blankpad.net (mailto:jon at blankpad.net)> wrote:
> > We're following what you've called "the Eden way" at Hubbub. Anyone half competent can learn a new language and its accompanying frameworks given a month or so to get up to speed, but someone without the mindset and passion for building software is never going to be a great developer.
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> Whilst I agree that mindset and passion are key things for being a good developer, the idea that you can learn a new language and its frameworks in a month seems pretty arrogant. Perhaps I have a different definition of learning or getting upto speed, but I find it a little disturbing that someone can think they can learn ruby in a month and know it. The same thing applies with technologies my particular beef is people thinking they know how to do TDD or BDD after a month. 
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> This doesn't just apply to 'rockstar' devs who implicitly understand nosql in a week. This attitude is pervasive in our industry where skills are constantly overstated and at the same time belittled and not appreciated. Sure you can get a sketch of ruby in a month, and you can speed read War and Peace in 20 minutes but if you think you in any way done or even competent with either then your deluded. 
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> > On Thursday, 22 March 2012 at 06:47, Anthony Green wrote:
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> > > I'm continually disappointed by the quality of the recruitment 
> > > offerings. All of which pretty much reduce the posting "to we want a 
> > > code monkey of type Foo with skills x, y and z"
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> > > I always admired Eden and Chris Parson's holistic belief when taking on 
> > > staff. For BBC Future Media, the security of our income model means 
> > > there's occasionally room for individuals who share those same values to 
> > > try and emulate Chris' approach.
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> > > Is it economic uncertainty that means companies don't follow the Eden 
> > > way or just a lack of maturity in our industry?
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