[LRUG] ADVICE

Fri May 24 08:01:36 PDT 2013

Hi all, first a short introduction of me to try to make clear my point of
view of all this:

I've signed up to LRUG more or less a month ago, I'm a ruby programmer
since 2008. I'm currently working for a USA company and another from
Belgium.

Some time ago I have the idea to go to UK, meet the local comunnity, see
how the things are there, yeap, i'm not from UK, im from Argentina, a far
far away country from South America, maybe someone heard about this place
and some others haven't.

My idea was go to London for 6 months, continue working with my current
employer, but, some companies starts to send me some job offers or contact
me. I don't have a UE citizenship I need a VISA sponsor to work in the UK
most of the offers I couldn't apply.

And here starts my nightmare to filter jobs offers, contacts, etc. I know
this is no an easy step for anyone, not for a company, not for me, etc. But
the point i was trying to explain here is that I see many jobs offers in UK
but I don't see the necessary amount of Ruby programmers. The weakest point
in this math is still trying to fit that amount of jobs with the same
people.

It's like trying to cover more than two holes with your hands, but there
are only two hands.

I think the UK's market needs a way to make an easier way to let a new
programmer's join the community.  it's a very important point to get the
best programmers in your company, but I think there are many good
programmers who can go to UK to work.

Generally, all VISAS sponsorship are for bigger companies, and not easy for
new companies, or entrepreneur layer.

I hope this can add a new point to try to solve this topic.

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On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Steve Buckley <
sbuckley at globalpersonals.co.uk> wrote:

> Fantastic post. I'd like to repost the comment I left on your blog here
> for clarity:
>
> *Great article but I'd like to point out that whilst I'm flattered by
> your comments, I'm not an agency recruiter. Hacker Jobs is very much an
> independent side project and my full-time day job is as the in-house Tech
> Recruitment Manager for Globaldev. I don't consult with any other companies
> and have literally zero intention of ever venturing back into the world of
> agency recruitment.*
> *That being said, if you're a rubyist in London then there's an
> exceptionally high chance of running into me sooner rather than later as
> Globaldev are growing immensely.*
>
> Great work Najaf.
>
> Steve
>
> On 24 May 2013, at 15:22, Najaf Ali <ali at happybearsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> Late to the party I know, but I started writing a reply and it turned into
> the Iliad. It had a fun story in it so I went ahead and published it to my
> blog instead:
>
>
> http://happybearsoftware.com/my-experiences-with-recruiters-and-how-id-like-to-be-sold-to.html
>
> There's no identifying information but if you'd like me to remove the
> quote, let me know. Also, Steve (Buckley), you're in it.
>
> -Ali
>
>
> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Rob Beattie <RBeattie at recruit360.co.uk>wrote:
>
>> Morning all,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I hope you are well.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I appreciate this might be opening a can of worms but I’m keen to get
>> your thoughts and ideally some advice.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I signed up to LRUG a month or so ago in order to try and gain a better
>> understanding of the Ruby market in London.  I’ve had a positive response
>> from a few candidates but generally speaking I see antipathy towards
>> recruitment consultants / agencies.  ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I know there’s a stigma attached to our industry but I can assure you we
>> aren’t all bad!****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> What I’m trying to understand is why employers, and to a certain extent
>> candidates, are so against working with agencies?  Is it because of fees?
>> Have you had bad experiences?  If it’s company policy, why is it company
>> policy?  ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I appreciate there are a lot of companies who now operate a direct
>> sourcing model and simply don’t need to use agencies.  I get that and I
>> understand your reasoning behind this, but for companies who are struggling
>> to find good candidates, and don’t have the resources in place to spend the
>> majority of their day sourcing candidates, why won’t you use agencies?***
>> *
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> For those of you who are open to working with agencies, what do you feel
>> is the best way for me to approach your company?      ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I’m open to suggestions, although things like die, rot in hell and get
>> out of recruitment aren’t options I’m afraid :-)****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I take pride in what I do and so it would be really helpful to get your
>> thoughts.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I don’t want to clog up the mailing list so if you have any thoughts /
>> advice, I’d be extremely grateful if you drop me an email or alternatively,
>> feel free to give me a call.   ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I look forward to hearing from you.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Regards,****
>>
>> Rob****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> R*ob Beattie – Recruit360 ***
>>
>> *Tel - 08450 310 360*
>>
>> *Direct line - +44 (0) 117 906 0146*
>>
>> rbeattie at recruit360.co.uk  ****
>>
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